NOT A TEACHER
The second one doesn't make sense to me.
As you said, the first one is idiomatic: an idiot of a salesman, an idiot of a lawyer, an idiot of a doctor, and so on.
There is such a phrase.
Is that idiot of a salesman calling again?
Will the meaning be changed if we say
Is that salesman of an idiot calling again?
NOT A TEACHER
The second one doesn't make sense to me.
As you said, the first one is idiomatic: an idiot of a salesman, an idiot of a lawyer, an idiot of a doctor, and so on.
My fuzzy logic.
A man of importance = 1) First, he is a man 2) he becomes important. (not vice versa )
An idiot of a salesman = 1) First, he becomes an idiot 2) and only after he becomes an idiot he may become a salesman.
I understand that this may not look persuasive, but may be there is something in it. Anyway, I get it.
NOT A TEACHER
No, it doesn't work that way. "An idiot of a salesman" just means that the salesman is an idiot. It doesn't mean that s/he was an idiot prior to becoming a salesman. It's possible that s/he was an idiot prior to becoming a salesman, but that's not the intended meaning of the phrase.
P.S. More precisely, as emsr2d2 said below, s/he is an idiotic salesman. Of course, it's possible that the "idiot of a salesman" is not an idiot when it comes to other aspects of life.
Last edited by Chicken Sandwich; 21-Oct-2012 at 23:36. Reason: rewrite + P.S.
Effectively, it means that he's an idiotic salesman.
Remember - correct capitalisation, punctuation and spacing make posts much easier to read.
Are there any similar phrases without the word idiot though?
And that fool of a doctor never thought to ask her what other medications she was taking.
I'm not a teacher, but I write for a living. Please don't ask me about 2nd conditionals, but I'm a safe bet for what reads well in (American) English.
NOT A TEACHER
"moron of a doctor" also works. Other synonyms of "idiot" can also be used.
Last edited by Chicken Sandwich; 22-Oct-2012 at 00:32.
It's usually pejorative:
That bitch of a nurse said that...
That fool of a manager told me that...
In my last job I had a wanker of a boss who..
etc ad nauseum
I can't think of any positive versions! It's an interesting point, never thought about it before.
That peach of a girl
That sweetheart of a nurse
The gem of a teacher
It works both ways.
I'm not a teacher, but I write for a living. Please don't ask me about 2nd conditionals, but I'm a safe bet for what reads well in (American) English.