In my reading an excerpt of John Donne’s “The Fifth of My Prebend Sermons”, I found myself haunted by a couple of questions. First, I found in the sermon such an expression as “I can’t look upon God in what line I will, nor take hold of God, in what handle I will.” What puzzles me is the meaning of the word “line” in the sentence as well as that of the second half of the sentence, or rather, the denotation of the metaphor “handle” in the sentence.
Moreover, I also found in that sermon an expanse of expression which goes as follows.
“…and I shall see God in a Bath of the blood of his Sonne, whether I shall see God as a Dove with an Olive branch, (peace to my soul) or as an Eagle, a vulture to prey…”
My second question is why the first letters of the words “Bath”, “Dove”, “Olive” and “Eagle” above are all capitalized? According to what I have been taught, such capitalizations only occur in the cases of proper nouns.
Thirdly, that sermon also contains a sentence “Hee is a terrible God, I take him so.” And what does “I take him so” mean here? Does it mean “I accept him as such?” Juvenile as my questions may be, any help with any of my questions will be dearly appreciated and I would be most obliged if the three of them could all be attended to. Thank you all again.
Last edited by on the way; 29-Nov-2012 at 04:34.
More anwers are being expected.
You may expect more answers, but it would be nice to acknowledge that one was given.
The fact is, Donne wrote a LONG time ago. We don't spell the same way. We don't capitalize the same way. We don't use vocabulary the same way. Exactly as Bhai said. There may be modern interpretations of this work, and if so, it may answer some of your questions. I don't know what he meant by "what line I will" either.
Donne is using those nouns as metaphors for God, which may be the reason for the capitals.
I believe your last interpretation is correct.
Last edited by 5jj; 27-Nov-2012 at 13:20.
I'm not a teacher, but I write for a living. Please don't ask me about 2nd conditionals, but I'm a safe bet for what reads well in (American) English.
Thanks.Sorry if I sounded impolite, I was just being a little disappointed ,that's all.Thank you both.
I'm not a teacher, but I write for a living. Please don't ask me about 2nd conditionals, but I'm a safe bet for what reads well in (American) English.
Thank you both, Bhaisahab and Barb, for your generous help. I didn’t mean to grudge my acknowledgement. As discussed, I was at first disappointed at Bhaisahab’s answer to my questions and felt I would be a sort of hypocrite if I pretended to appreciate what I didn’t actually like. But now, on second thoughts, I come to realize that what I felt back then about the answer was in fact irrelevant. The fact that Bhaisahab did bother to spare his time and give his own version of answer to my questions should sufficiently command my acknowledgement. Of course, more deep gratitude is due to Barb, who kindly went out of her way to point out, without any sarcasm in her tone, my errors in my replies and enlighten me on what was the proper response in that particular situation. The latter, which is more about civility than about grammaticality, is, I think, as valuable, if not more valuable, as any purely academic answers I could ever imagine to my original questions. So thank you again. What a dull and terrible world it would be without caring people like you.
Last edited by on the way; 29-Nov-2012 at 04:40.
I'm pretty sure that should be blood, and probably a reference to communion wine.God in a Bath of the blond of his Sonne,
In German, nouns are capitalised, and in English a few hundred years ago, it was not uncommon to capitalise nouns, espcially important ones. In fact, people still do it a bit- you will see capital letters used for important nouns that are not proper nouns in things like reports.
On a John Donne theme, I stayed in a flat in Lincoln's Inn a few years ago directly in front of the church where they rang the bells at noon if a member had died and have heard the very bells that toll for thee tolling for someone.