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29-Aug-2004, 16:02
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30-Aug-2004, 06:58
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There's something wrong with European. :D |
30-Aug-2004, 21:22
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31-Aug-2004, 06:03
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Does j in transcription count for a consonant sound? :? Or it is somewhere in between consonants and vowels :D |
31-Aug-2004, 12:59
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Originally Posted by Tanja Does j in transcription count for a consonant sound? :? Or it is somewhere in between consonants and vowels :D | Good question.
To be more specific, it's a palatal glide. j is like consonant in that it can't stand along; it must precede(or follow) a vowel in order to form a syllable. /j/ and /w/ are sometimes called semivowels, and it may be said that they are the consonantal forms of the vowels /i/ and /u/.
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31-Aug-2004, 14:41
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Originally Posted by blacknomi Good question.
To be more specific, it's a palatal glide.
j is like consonant in that it can't stand along; it must precede(or follow) a vowel in order to form a syllable. /j/ and /w/ are sometimes called semivowels, and it may be said that they are the consonantal forms of the vowels /i/ and /u/.
:D | Great explanation, Blacknomi! Thank you!
I do remember something like palatal glide from my phonetics class...but not much...
My Introduction to Phonetics says: "[j] - constrictive, mediolingual, palatal sonant". Hmmm... this word "sonant"... it makes me confused... What is that? |
31-Aug-2004, 15:38
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Originally Posted by Tanja Quote: |
Originally Posted by blacknomi Good question.
To be more specific, it's a palatal glide.
j is like consonant in that it can't stand along; it must precede(or follow) a vowel in order to form a syllable. /j/ and /w/ are sometimes called semivowels, and it may be said that they are the consonantal forms of the vowels /i/ and /u/.
:D | Great explanation, Blacknomi! Thank you!
I do remember something like palatal glide from my phonetics class...but not much...
My Introduction to Phonetics says: "[j] - constrictive, mediolingual, palatal sonant". Hmmm... this word "sonant"... it makes me confused... What is that? | Thanks. You are most welcome.  :D
You mean "sonorant".
Sonorants are sounds produced with a relatively FREE passage of air through the mouth or the nose. Notice: the opposite of sonorants are called 'obstruents'; the airstream cannot travel through the nose, it is obstructed(blocked) in the passage through the vocal tract.
It is marked as [+son] or [-son].
Sonorants:
Nasal stops: m, n, ing
Liquids: l, r
Glides: j, w
Vowels: you know that :D  |
31-Aug-2004, 15:52
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Originally Posted by blacknomi Thanks. :D
You mean "sonorant".
Sonorants are sounds produced with a relatively FREE passage of air through the mouth or the nose. Notice: the opposite of sonorants are called 'obstruents'; the airstream cannot travel through the nose, it is obstructed(blocked) in the passage through the vocal tract.
It is marked as [+son] or [-son].
Sonorants:
Nasal stops: m, n, ing
Liquids: l, r
Glides: j, w
Vowels: you know that :D | Sonorant instead of sonant? Funny! Is there really a misprint in the book?! :? :D |
31-Aug-2004, 15:55
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Sonant=voiced consonant.
That's what dictionary says. |
31-Aug-2004, 16:37
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You are right on that!
And all sonorants are sonants! But not all sonants are sonorants. :D | | |
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