Three participles appearing in the same form.

<[QUOTE=Casiopea]I'm not sure what I'm supposed to be (dis)agreeing with. To me, its present definition stands. >

Then you would be disagreeing with what I wrote. Disagreeing with the idea of something being named "the perfect participle" and also something being named as "the adjectival participle".


The term participle refers to a word formed from a verb that participates in compound forms, either verbal (1. and 2.) or nominal (3.)

So you wouldn't add "or adjectival" to that?

<3. As an adjective
These Big Macs are stolen. (adjective)>

That's what I would call an adjectival passive (an agentless passive).

[Roro]

Originally Posted by M56

Tell me, are you Spanish, Roro?....No.
I say it because you use the question tag "no". That's not very common in English and I would advise against its use.

Thank you so much, M56. I will be very careful not to use it as a kind of softener of my opinion

Originally Posted by Roro

Thank you so much, M56. I will be very careful not to use it as a kind of softener of my opinion

That's OK, I use it too, even though I'm English. I've lived in spain for 6 years now and when I speak English, I tend to get all Spanglish.

[Roro]

Hi all, I've gotten a sudden doubt regarding the following pair and am hoping for your help.

# These Big Macs are stolen. They were stolen yesterday.

Are they okay?

Originally Posted by Roro

Hi all, I've gotten a sudden doubt regarding the following pair and am hoping for your help.

# These Big Macs are stolen. They were stolen yesterday.

Are they okay?

Yes, both fine.

[Roro]

Thank you, M56. Then how would you call them?
'stolen' in the first sentence is an adjective, and 'stolen' in the second sentence is used in a passive construction, in a compound verb form. (In a most normal reading. It seems to me there's some difference, although English is a completely foreign language for me. When I'm wrong please let me know )

[MrPedantic]

Originally Posted by M56

That's OK, I use it too, even though I'm English. I've lived in spain for 6 years now and when I speak English, I tend to get all Spanglish.

I've heard it quite often from AmE speakers; but perhaps with a "challenging" rather than "softening" air.

MrP

[Roro]

! !
Thank you for your tip, MrP!

[Casiopea]

Well, it's kind of a mute point, no? Terms 1. through 3. (yours) describe the "past" participle's distribution. The terms work just fine. What problem do you see?

Originally Posted by M56

These Big Macs are stolen. (adjective)

That's what I would call an adjectival passive (an agentless passive).

Ah, yes, it's ambiguous. I can get that reading, too, but not without additional context. As it stands, though, "stolen" describes "These Big Macs" (Cf. These Big Macs are fresh). If it's an "agentless passive" reading you're after, wherein "stolen" participates in a compound verb, try

Passive: These burgers are stolen frequently.
Active: People steal these burgers frequently.

Furthemore,

Statement: These burgers are stolen. (adjective)
Question: By who? (awkward)

Statement: These burgers are stolen frequently. (compound verb)
Question: By who?

[AlainK]

Originally Posted by M56

Tell me, are you Spanish, Roro? I say it because you use the question tag "no". That's not very common in English and I would advise against its use.

He might be French too, non?