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Re: Can the verb 'to be' take an object?
God mórgon! You are up early....

Originally Posted by
Kondorosi
What you call a C locative Quirk calls an obligatory adverbial (obligatory predicate adjunct).
This makes sense.

Originally Posted by
Kondorosi
What you call a C locative is denoted by 'A' in valency patterns in his "Blue Bible".
So, 'A'= obligatory adjunct and A=Adjunct

Originally Posted by
Kondorosi
CGEL differentiates between complements and obligatory adverbials in CopV complementation; however, it states that some obligatory adverbs can function as complements (The game is over (= complete). = SVC). It makes no mention of C_locatives, though. Terminology.
This doesn't make sense, I have to keep his terminology at arms length.
Tack
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Re: Can the verb 'to be' take an object?

Originally Posted by
mxreader
This doesn't make sense
To you.
Would you explain what is not acceptable to you here?

Originally Posted by
mxreader
I have to keep his terminology at arms length.
Tack

Var Sa God.
You pays your money and you takes your choice.
So, 'A'= obligatory adjunct and A=Adjunct
Is this what an educated native would infer from my posts? My communication skills are not consummate yet, apparently.
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Re: Can the verb 'to be' take an object?

Originally Posted by
Kondorosi
CGEL differentiates between complements and obligatory adverbials in CopV complementation; however, it states that some obligatory adverbs can function as complements:
By obligatory adverbs I did not mean obligatory adverbials. By them I meant adverbials that are not obligatory adverbials but still obligatorily present. Obligatory adverbials are those which are obligatorily present plus behave adverbially from a semantic point of view.
A is realized by an obligatory pred. adjunct, an obligatory adverbial.
C is realized by a noun, an adjective, or an adverb that is obligatorily present and behaves like an adjective in all? respects.
Obligatory adverbials assign an attribute of location (literal or metaphorical?) to the subject, but not all adverbials that are obligatorily present behave so. Consequently, not all adverbials that are obligatorily present are called obligatory adverbials.
Obligatory adverbial ≠ adverb that is obligatorily present
Obligatory adverbial is a subset of adverbs that are obligatorily present: All obligatory adverbials are obligatorily present, but not all obligatorily present adverbials are obligatory adverbials.
Now you see my point I trust. 
Accoring to CGEL:
I am behind (scedule) in my rent. = SVC
I feel under the weather. = SV(A?C?)
This isn't clear-cut (to me), indeed. I think grammar books serve the purpose of giving a general direction which you can abandon if your own judgment that grammars have developed so requires.
According to me:
I am behind (scedule) in my rent. = SVC
I feel under the weather. = SVC
Last edited by Kondorosi; 16-Jan-2010 at 06:45.
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Re: Can the verb 'to be' take an object?

Originally Posted by
Kondorosi
Now you see my point I trust.

Now... where is my barge pole?

Originally Posted by
Kondorosi
According to me:
I am behind (scedule) in my rent. = SVC
I feel under the weather. = SVC
Agreed, but now try these:
We flew to Stockholm.
He works in Lund.
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Re: Can the verb 'to be' take an object?

Originally Posted by
mxreader
Now... where is my barge pole?
Do you want to nudge my argument with that? 

Originally Posted by
mxreader
Agreed, but now try these:
We flew to Stockholm.
He works in Lund.
SV*2
Last edited by Kondorosi; 17-Jan-2010 at 05:55.
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Re: Can the verb 'to be' take an object?

Originally Posted by
Kondorosi
SV*2
Confounding notation, I presume....
SVC
SVC
but how about
SVC_loc
SVA
For teaching purposes, I think I should leave out the idea of Adjuncts until later/never (I am still not convinced that they are useful distinctions), and just call them both complements.
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Re: Can the verb 'to be' take an object?
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Re: Can the verb 'to be' take an object?
I don't understand your explanation, are you saying that
"We flew to Stockholm" is the same as "We flew"? both SV?
If "We flew" is SV, then what of "to Stockholm"?
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Re: Can the verb 'to be' take an object?

Originally Posted by
mxreader
If "We flew" is SV, then what of "to Stockholm"?
It is an optional adverb, an optional predicate adjunct of direction.
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Re: Can the verb 'to be' take an object?

Originally Posted by
mxreader
"We flew to Stockholm" is the same as "We flew"? both SV?
Same in terms of what obligatory elements are present.
SVA means V = CopV. 'flew' is not a CopV; it is an I(ntransitive verb). I's can only occur in SV.
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