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11-Aug-2009, 07:20
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Hi I have a question about the Pronunciation of some English word.
I want to ask about the Pronunciation of 
Usually it use for sounds like "O" for example born, sort. but in some word like "saw and bought" pronunce /ʌ/ . In oxford A D the Phonetic of "saw" is writen /sɔ:/ but read /sʌ/. Are there an exception? pro.mp3 pr2.JPG thaw.mp3 pr.JPG
I asked about "saw" and "bought" together and why their Pronunciation is different with other English words like "sort" ,"thought" and "walk" I know their Pronunciation is the same but why their phonetic different with their Pronunciation : bought /bɔ:t/ and saw /sɔ:/
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11-Aug-2009, 10:27
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pro.mp3 is a recording a speaker of American English; I think thaw.mp3 is a recording of a speaker of British English - although it's hard to tell, as there's so little data in the second file.
(Incidentally, for future visitors: these mp3 files are safe; I scanned them before opening).
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11-Aug-2009, 13:02
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The grey phonetic symbol you have cited is pronounced as the main vowel in "course," but without /k/ in the beginning or the /rs/ at the end. | | The Following User Says Thank You to konungursvia For This Useful Post: | |
11-Aug-2009, 14:23
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Originally Posted by BobK  pro.mp3 is a recording a speaker of American English; I think thaw.mp3 is a recording of a speaker of British English - although it's hard to tell, as there's so little data in the second file.
(Incidentally, for future visitors: these mp3 files are safe; I scanned them before opening).
b | thanks but In oxford A D the Phonetic of "saw" is writen /sɔ:/ but read /sʌ/. |
11-Aug-2009, 14:54
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Originally Posted by ayad00 Hi
I have a question about the Pronunciation of some English word. I want to ask about the Pronunciation of
Usually it use for sounds like "O" for example born, sort. but in some word like "saw and bought" pronunce /ʌ/ . In oxford A D the Phonetic of "saw" is writen /sɔ:/ but read /sʌ/.
Are there an exception? |
Regardless of what any references indicate, USA English speakers would perceive that the vowel sounds in "bought" and "saw" are the same.
Anyway, the same symbol is used to represent the vowel sound in both words in the AHD. bought: Definition from Answers.com saw: Definition, Synonyms from Answers.com |
11-Aug-2009, 15:51
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Saw can't be read /sʌ/ in any standard or widespread dialect of English, I think. In AmE it is usually pronounced /sa/. |
11-Aug-2009, 16:24
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Originally Posted by konungursvia Saw can't be read /sʌ/ in any standard or widespread dialect of English, I think. In AmE it is usually pronounced /sa/. | The American Heritage Dictionary shows something different. It shows that bought and saw have the same vowel sound, which, as an American English speaker, I would have to agree with, as the vowel sound in these two words sounds the same to me. I take the sound to be a kind of short "o" sound. Anyway, in some cases, distinguishing in a more detail and finer way might not be practical in reality and for the purposes of learning the language. bought: Definition from Answers.com saw: Definition, Synonyms from Answers.com |
11-Aug-2009, 16:27
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Originally Posted by konungursvia Saw can't be read /sʌ/ in any standard or widespread dialect of English, I think. In AmE it is usually pronounced /sa/. | Does this mean that to you "saw" and "bought" have different vowel sounds? |
11-Aug-2009, 17:24
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No, I didn't assert that. Both are the same: /sa/, /bat/, as in father, in our American English. Where did you get the assumption I was saying bought had a different vowel? In my view, one should proceed with caution and care before making willy-nilly contradictions of other native speakers' contributions. This is the second time today you seem to be itching for a debate. Please take it easy.
P.S. /sʌ/ is the first syllable of supper, and my talking about it in no way excluded bought having the same vowel sound as saw in AmE. Maybe you've been staring at your screen for too long? |
11-Aug-2009, 17:55
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Originally Posted by konungursvia No, I didn't assert that. Both are the same: /sa/, /bat/, as in father, in our American English. Where did you get the assumption I was saying bought had a different vowel? In my view, one should proceed with caution and care before making willy-nilly contradictions of other native speakers' contributions. This is the second time today you seem to be itching for a debate. Please take it easy.
P.S. /sʌ/ is the first syllable of supper, and my talking about it in no way excluded bought having the same vowel sound as saw in AmE. Maybe you've been staring at your screen for too long? | I didn't assume anything. I asked a question, which is far from an assmption. 
I'll come back to read the rest of the post later.
I regret that my post - repy - may have led you to interpret my words in some sort of pragmatic way. I really was asking a question. | | |
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