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29-Sep-2009, 02:48
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What do we mean by retroflex consonants, what are they?
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30-Sep-2009, 09:17
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30-Sep-2009, 15:44
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Originally Posted by xpert  | Thus english have retroflex consonants?
Are plosives retroflex?? |
30-Sep-2009, 16:23
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Originally Posted by anupumh Thus Does Eenglish have retroflex consonants?
| No, but speakers of Indian English often make their /t/ and /d/ retroflex. As most if not all speakers of that national variety do the same thing, one can hardly call it a mistake.  Quote:
Originally Posted by anupumh Are plosives retroflex?? | Wrong way round! Some plosives can be retroflex. But if you're asking 'Are all retroflex consonants plosives too' I think so; although some language I don't know of may have, say, a lateral that is modified by a curling up of the tongue - so I couldn't say for sure.
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30-Sep-2009, 16:40
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Originally Posted by BobK No, but speakers of Indian English often make their /t/ and /d/ retroflex. As most if not all speakers of that national variety do the same thing, one can hardly call it a mistake.
Wrong way round! Some plosives can be retroflex. But if you're asking 'Are all retroflex consonants plosives too' I think so; although some language I don't know of may have, say, a lateral that is modified by a curling up of the tongue - so I couldn't say for sure.
b | In Hindi, as anupumh will confirm, all the following are retroflex, but only the the second and fourth are plosives. ट ठ ..... ड ढ
T Th ..........D Dh
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30-Sep-2009, 17:50
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Originally Posted by Raymott In Hindi, as anupumh will confirm, all the following are retroflex, but only the the second and fourth are plosives.
ट ठ ..... ड ढ
T Th ..........D Dh
There are no retroflex consonants in standard English. | Yes ठ and ढ are plosive and unvoiced... |
01-Oct-2009, 09:32
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Originally Posted by Raymott In Hindi, as anupumh will confirm, all the following are retroflex, but only the the second and fourth are plosives.
ट ठ ..... ड ढ
T Th ..........D Dh
There are no retroflex consonants in standard English. | It was the idea of laterals that misled me - and that 'ain't nobody's fault but mine' . I didin't know the Hindi ones, but I should have thought that fricatives could be retroflex.
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01-Oct-2009, 10:23
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Originally Posted by BobK It was the idea of laterals that misled me - and that 'ain't nobody's fault but mine' . I didin't know the Hindi ones, but I should have thought that fricatives could be retroflex.
b | Fricatives can be retroflex - I have no idea about Hindi, but I believe they occur in Mandarin Chinese.
I think retroflex "t" can occur phonetically in English, in certain pronunciations of the "tr" cluster. But this would of course be purely allophonic.
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01-Oct-2009, 10:27
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Originally Posted by orangutan Fricatives can be retroflex ... | Yes, that's what I said. I should have realized that 'should have thought' was ambiguous.
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01-Oct-2009, 10:31
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Originally Posted by BobK Yes, that's what I said. I should have realized that 'should have thought' was ambiguous.
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