Retroflex Consonants

[anupumh]

Hi,

What do we mean by retroflex consonants, what are they?

Thanks

[xpert]

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[anupumh]

Originally Posted by xpert

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Thus english have retroflex consonants?
Are plosives retroflex??

[BobK]

Originally Posted by anupumh

Thus Does Eenglish have retroflex consonants?

No, but speakers of Indian English often make their /t/ and /d/ retroflex. As most if not all speakers of that national variety do the same thing, one can hardly call it a mistake.

Originally Posted by anupumh

Are plosives retroflex??

Wrong way round! Some plosives can be retroflex. But if you're asking 'Are all retroflex consonants plosives too' I think so; although some language I don't know of may have, say, a lateral that is modified by a curling up of the tongue - so I couldn't say for sure.

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[Raymott]

Originally Posted by BobK

No, but speakers of Indian English often make their /t/ and /d/ retroflex. As most if not all speakers of that national variety do the same thing, one can hardly call it a mistake.
Wrong way round! Some plosives can be retroflex. But if you're asking 'Are all retroflex consonants plosives too' I think so; although some language I don't know of may have, say, a lateral that is modified by a curling up of the tongue - so I couldn't say for sure.

b

In Hindi, as anupumh will confirm, all the following are retroflex, but only the the second and fourth are plosives.
ट ठ ..... ड ढ
T Th ..........D Dh

There are no retroflex consonants in standard English.

[anupumh]

Originally Posted by Raymott

In Hindi, as anupumh will confirm, all the following are retroflex, but only the the second and fourth are plosives.
ट ठ ..... ड ढ
T Th ..........D Dh

There are no retroflex consonants in standard English.

Yes ठ and ढ are plosive and unvoiced...

[BobK]

Originally Posted by Raymott

In Hindi, as anupumh will confirm, all the following are retroflex, but only the the second and fourth are plosives.
ट ठ ..... ड ढ
T Th ..........D Dh

There are no retroflex consonants in standard English.

It was the idea of laterals that misled me - and that 'ain't nobody's fault but mine' . I didin't know the Hindi ones, but I should have thought that fricatives could be retroflex.

b

[orangutan]

Originally Posted by BobK

It was the idea of laterals that misled me - and that 'ain't nobody's fault but mine' . I didin't know the Hindi ones, but I should have thought that fricatives could be retroflex.

b

Fricatives can be retroflex - I have no idea about Hindi, but I believe they occur in Mandarin Chinese.

I think retroflex "t" can occur phonetically in English, in certain pronunciations of the "tr" cluster. But this would of course be purely allophonic.

(Disclaimer: I am not an expert on phonetics)

[BobK]

Originally Posted by orangutan

Fricatives can be retroflex ...

Yes, that's what I said. I should have realized that 'should have thought' was ambiguous.

b

[orangutan]

Originally Posted by BobK

Yes, that's what I said. I should have realized that 'should have thought' was ambiguous.

b

Sorry, I just read your previous post out of context.