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Does anyone know of a good website regarding short and long sounds. For example, I'm sure that in the word cup the p is a voiceless sound and in the word cub the b is a voiced sound. However, I am not sure which word has the long vowel sound and which has the short vowel sound.

Possibly cup is long and cub is short? I think they are both the same but someone is telling me that they are different.

Can anyone help?

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Hi,

Does anyone know of a good website regarding short and long sounds. For example, I'm sure that in the word cup the p is a voiceless sound and in the word cub the b is a voiced sound. However, I am not sure which word has the long vowel sound and which has the short vowel sound.

Possibly cup is long and cub is short? I think they are both the same but someone is telling me that they are different.

Can anyone help?
/p/ is voiceless consonant. It is a stop plosive with a bilabial articulation.
This consonant is aspirated and less or no vibration of vocal cords
Barring a few exceptions, its is always aspirated (when s is preceeds p then /p/ is not aspirated)

/b/ is the voiced counterpart. It is also a stop plosive with a bilabial articulation.
This consonant has less or no aspiration and vocal cords are vibrated.
Barring a few exceptions, its is always voiced.
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Hi,

Does anyone know of a good website regarding short and long sounds. For example, I'm sure that in the word cup the p is a voiceless sound and in the word cub the b is a voiced sound. However, I am not sure which word has the long vowel sound and which has the short vowel sound.

Possibly cup is long and cub is short? I think they are both the same but someone is telling me that they are different.

Can anyone help?
To your next question of vowel length, its the other way round...

The vowel sound/length in cub is longer and vowel sound/length in cup is shorter
The rule says that the vowel length before a voiced consonant is more than before a voiceless consonant. You should not get confused with the aspirated or voiced nature of the consonant which makes us feel that the word is stretched.

Non-rhoticity and vowel length | Antimoon Forum
Vowel length distinction before voiced or unv. consonants
Wapedia - Wiki: Vowel length
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Vowel length - Allophonic vowel length
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Hi,

Does anyone know of a good website regarding short and long sounds. For example, I'm sure that in the word cup the p is a voiceless sound and in the word cub the b is a voiced sound. However, I am not sure which word has the long vowel sound and which has the short vowel sound.

Possibly cup is long and cub is short? I think they are both the same but someone is telling me that they are different.

Can anyone help?
Some other good links on voiced and unvoiced consonants...
Voiced and Voiceless Consonants - Understanding Voiced and Voiceless Pronunciation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voice_(phonetics)
Wapedia - Voice (phonetics)
http://www.sweetadelineintl.org/Hand...0-%20Henry.pdf
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