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26-Mar-2005, 06:39
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| | What is the general rule for the glottal "T" ? What is the general rule for making or not making the glottal "T" in words like "mountain","Hilton" and "maintenance"?
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26-Mar-2005, 06:53
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Current Location: Phnom Penh First Language: English Member Type: English Teacher | | Re: What is the general rule for the glottal "T" ? In connected speech, sounds get dropped when it's easier to do so and doesn't affect comprehension. In some regional dialects, like Cockney, it is more marked. I think it's just ease rather following rules. | 
27-Mar-2005, 10:22
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First Language: English | | Re: What is the general rule for the glottal "T" ? Are you looking for a definition of which "t's" are glottal? If so, the general rule for determining a glottal t is: Glottal t:
Medial "t" after a stressed syllable, preceded by a vowel or a vowel plus "r" and followed by "syllabic n" is pronounced as "glottal t".
As this sound is similar to "flapped t" it will also be denoted by [đ]. However, there are some characteristic differences in pronunciation between [dṇ] and [đṇ].
[đṇ] satin [ˈsęđṇ], mountain [ˈmawnđṇ], cotton [ˈkɑđṇ], button [ˈbəđṇ], certain [ˈsərđṇ], important [ɪmˈpɔrđṇt] Syllabic n:
"n" or vowel plus "n" in an unstressed syllable and preceded by "t" or "d" is pronounced as "syllabic n".
[ṇ] satin [ˈsęđṇ], mountain [ˈmawnđṇ], cotton [ˈkɑđṇ], button [ˈbəđṇ], certain [ˈsərđṇ], important [ɪmˈpɔrđṇt], bu
rden [ˈbərdṇ], sudden [ˈsədṇ] | 
27-Mar-2005, 12:01
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Current Location: Phnom Penh First Language: English Member Type: English Teacher | | Re: What is the general rule for the glottal "T" ? Which accent are you decribing here? | 
30-Mar-2005, 02:27
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| | Re: What is the general rule for the glottal "T" ? I'm sorry. I should've mentioned American accent. | 
30-Mar-2005, 02:51
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Current Location: Phnom Penh First Language: English Member Type: English Teacher | | Re: What is the general rule for the glottal "T" ? In British English, the glottal, where used, involves removing the sound:
A glass of wa'er, etc.
As far as I know of American pronunciation, I'd follow the Mr Mexico's guidlines. | 
30-Mar-2005, 04:26
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First Language: English Member Type: English Teacher | | Re: What is the general rule for the glottal "T" ? Quote: |
Originally Posted by amigo What is the general rule for making or not making the glottal "T" in words like "mountain","Hilton" and "maintenance"?
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Sometimes the "t" is left out of "mountain". If someone is speaking quickly, there's a good chance the "t" will be left out.
I say the "t" in "Hilton".
The "t" might be left out in "maintenance" when people speak quickly. It probably is.
I don't think it's a good idea to say there are any rules to follow here. I think it's better to make observations and consider what guidelines exist.
I'm speaking for North American accent/pronunciation. | 
02-Apr-2005, 06:39
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| | Re: What is the general rule for the glottal "T" ? Tdol,Central Mexico and X Mode:
I'll pay attention to how native speakers say it.
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02-Apr-2005, 17:15
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First Language: English Member Type: English Teacher | | Re: What is the general rule for the glottal "T" ? Quote: |
Originally Posted by amigo Tdol,Central Mexico and X Mode:
I'll pay attention to how native speakers say it.
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