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10-Jun-2005, 21:55
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Current Location: Serbia First Language: Serbian Member Type: English Teacher | | days of the week Are the days of the week promounced with an short /i/ at the end or with
/deI/? Are both ways correct and possible? If not, which one is correct?
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15-Jun-2005, 08:49
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Current Location: China First Language: English Member Type: Other | | Re: days of the week The final sound in "d ay" is called a diphthong. A diphthong (pronounced dif'thong, not dip'thong) is made up of two sounds: one sound is always a vowel, and the other sound is always a glide, either [j] ("y") or [w].
If the glide comes first, the diphthong is called an onglide (start on a glide), and if the glide comes last, the diphthong is called an offglide (end off with a glide), like this,
Onglide: [ja] ("ya")
Offglide: [aj] ("eye")
As for the word "d ay", the letters " ay" are pronounced [ej], as on offglide, and it's currently written as [e I].
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15-Jun-2005, 14:07
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Current Location: Serbia First Language: Serbian Member Type: English Teacher | | Re: days of the week ok. In my dictionary it says that Monday is pronounced /mʌndi/;
why not /mʌndei/?? Would that be a wrong pronunciation? BTW, I know what a diphthong is, I teach English as a foreign language, and when I went to school they taught us /mʌndei/, but our university teachers said different, and Longman's dictionary says different. So, I'm curious if both are possible and correct.
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15-Jun-2005, 17:39
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First Language: Hungarian | | Re: days of the week Maybe it's the dialect? I've heard about 3 versions from native speakers. | 
16-Jun-2005, 09:24
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Current Location: China First Language: English Member Type: Other | | Re: days of the week Mon[deI] is the standard, the long form, and Mon[di] is one of its variants, or its short form. The difference between the two is not a matter of dialect variation. (I use both.) The difference has to do with ease of speech, and a processes called Reduction.
The offglide [eI], also written [ej], has two parts: a vowel [e] and a glide [j]. The vowel [e] is omitted, leaving the glide [j], like this,
Mond|ej| => Mond|j| => Mond[i]
Note, the symbols [I] and [j] represent the same sound, a palatal glide. When that glide functions as a vowel, it's written [i]. That's the sound we hear in reduced Mond[i].
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16-Jun-2005, 14:03
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First Language: Hungarian | | Re: days of the week Thank you for clearing it up for me too. I've just realised I use both variants  (never noticed until I read this topic) | 
16-Jun-2005, 16:25
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Current Location: Serbia First Language: Serbian Member Type: English Teacher | | Re: days of the week Thank ya all | 
17-Jun-2005, 12:15
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17-Jun-2005, 16:17
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First Language: Hungarian | | Re: days of the week Quote: |
Originally Posted by Casiopea If the glide comes first, the diphthong is called an onglide (start on a glide), and if the glide comes last, the diphthong is called an offglide (end off with a glide), like this,
Onglide: [ja] ("ya")
Offglide: [aj] ("eye")
As for the word "day", the letters "ay" are pronounced [ej], as on offglide, and it's currently written as [eI]. | Can I have a question too? What if someone pronounces ... say 'today' [to-die]. I think I do it most of the time  .
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20-Jun-2005, 09:42
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Originally Posted by ElectricDemon Can I have a question too? What if someone pronounces ... say 'today' [to-die]. I think do it most of the time  . | Actually, it'd be written, [tu'dai] ([ai] as in the sounds represented by the underlined portion in "p ie".)
It's a dialect variant, that's all. Keep on using it. |  | | | Thread Tools | | | | Display Modes | Linear Mode |
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