difference pronunciation between "flower" and "flour"

[YTG]

This message has been deleted by Casiopea. Reason: duplicate

Casiopea, did you delete one of my posts based on your belief that they were the same? Because the pictures were clearly different. Not to mention the difference in my explanation (British vs American).

And what did you do with the phonetic symbols? They were on the same line. Now they aren't and it is hard to read.

[Tdol]

Originally Posted by YTG

They were on the same line. Now they aren't and it is hard to read.

YTG, I have edited the post and put them back on the same line. It said that you had edited the post, other than that it wasn't touched AFAIK. Maybe the line breaks disappeared then, though I can't say why.

PS Have you seen this site? http://users.otenet.gr/~petermac/call/pron/type.html

[Tdol]

Originally Posted by YTG

As for the British, they don't even pronouce the 'w' so it is like flaa-er.

Only a very small group say 'flarze' nowadays, just as only a very few say 'hice' for 'house'. That pronunciation wouldn't, in all probability, be considered RP anymore, but resticted to very small upper class circles, IMO.

[Tdol]

Originally Posted by Casiopea

Hold on. I'm Canadian. Which speaker group should I choose? (agh)

The right one.

[Casiopea]

Wait 'til me Kiwi and Auzzie friends hear about that. <hehe>

[Casiopea]

Originally Posted by YTG

Casiopea, did you delete one of my posts . . . .

It's been restored.

[JJM Ballantyne]

For all intensive purposes, "flour" and "flower" are homophones.

[jenn21]

Im 21 from thailand... intermediate learner

[YTG]

Originally Posted by tdol

YTG, I have edited the post and put them back on the same line. It said that you had edited the post, other than that it wasn't touched AFAIK. Maybe the line breaks disappeared then, though I can't say why.

Well, look at my post that just been put back. It doesn't give any clue it was deleted and it was put back. How can that be done? A hidden function of vBulletin for admins/moderators?

Originally Posted by tdol

PS Have you seen this site? http://users.otenet.gr/~petermac/call/pron/type.html

Yes, but it can't creat exactly as what I created by the pictures.

Originally Posted by tdol

Only a very small group say 'flarze' nowadays, just as only a very few say 'hice' for 'house'. That pronunciation wouldn't, in all probability, be considered RP anymore, but resticted to very small upper class circles, IMO.

I am not sure what you mean here. What word can be prounced as 'flarze'? With the 'z' sound? Flowers? With 'z' in the middle?

Originally Posted by JJM Ballantyne

For all intensive purposes, "flour" and "flower" are homophones.

What English do you speak? British, American, Australian or Canadian?

[eng]

whew...that's a relief. i was really starting to doubt myself the other day (when my co-teacher questioned my pronunciation of "flour" because i didn't pronounce it like "flower"). she said that maybe I was using "Filipino" pronunciation...which is kind of funny because I learned words like flour and flower when I was a kid and I wasn't living in the Philippines at that time.

i know that for some (many?) people flour=flower-flour and it does make sense based on the etymology of flour. but some words have more than one acceptable pronunciation and i seem to be one of the few people who know of more than one acceptable pronunciation for "flour".

it's probably a regional thing...some of my friends from new york and new jersey pronounce flour as flower. but i was taught (in maryland) that flower has a bit of a pause.

Originally Posted by YTG

They are not identical.
flower:

flour:

Notice the dot (.) in flower. It has longer sound at that point which makes
the sound of flower as 2 syllables but only 1 syllable for the sound of flour.
It's like:
flower: ฟลาว-เอ้อ
flour: ฟลาอาว (ฟลา-อาว without any pause)
That's British pronounciation.