Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 10 of 11
Like Tree10Likes

Thread: can vs can't

  1. #1
    keannu's Avatar
    keannu is offline Key Member
    • Member Info
      • Member Type:
      • Student or Learner
      • Native Language:
      • Korean
      • Home Country:
      • South Korea
      • Current Location:
      • South Korea
    Join Date
    Dec 2010
    Posts
    3,673

    Default can vs can't

    Learning from a video lesson about difference between can and can't, I found the following.
    1. It's hard to tell the difference between a and b as glottal stop sounds just like a mute pause. Can native speakers tell the difference between a and b easily?
    2. In c, I was surprised to find /kɪn/ as I have never seen it. Maybe I took /kən/ for /kɪn/ as the former sounds similar to the latter. And I learned /kən/ instead of /kɪn/, so do I have to abandon /kən/ from now on?

    **This had better be learned on an online chatting program like Paltalk with native English teachers, but I don't think it's easy for them to make an appoinment with me.

    Lesson 11b - CAN/ CAN'T - English Pronunciation - YouTube
    a. I can't come - /kӕn+glottal stop/

    b. If you can, please come. - /kӕn/

    c. Can you come? She can see well. - /kɪn/ or /ken/

  2. #2
    birdeen's call is offline VIP Member
    • Member Info
      • Member Type:
      • Student or Learner
      • Native Language:
      • Polish
      • Home Country:
      • Poland
      • Current Location:
      • Poland
    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    Posts
    5,099

    Default Re: can vs can't

    As you know, I'm not a native speaker, but I want to say something about your first question. There was more difference between her "can" and "can't" than just the glottal stop at the end of the latter. The intonation was also different.

    Unfortunately, that isn't always the case. Also, not every American will be kind enough to throw in a glottal stop there, which as you say is not that easy to catch anyway. I know from Americans that it does happen that "can" and "can't" confuse them (when stressed). These words can be indistinguishable even to native American speakers.

  3. #3
    Chicken Sandwich's Avatar
    Chicken Sandwich is offline Senior Member
    • Member Info
      • Member Type:
      • Interested in Language
      • Native Language:
      • Russian
      • Home Country:
      • Russian Federation
      • Current Location:
      • Netherlands
    Join Date
    Jun 2010
    Posts
    1,250

    Default Re: can vs can't

    In BrE the disctinction between "can" and "can't" is quite noticible as the "a" sounds differently.
    keannu, Raymott and birdeen's call like this.

  4. #4
    I'm With Stupid's Avatar
    I'm With Stupid is offline Senior Member
    • Member Info
      • Member Type:
      • English Teacher
      • Native Language:
      • English
      • Home Country:
      • England
      • Current Location:
      • Vietnam
    Join Date
    Oct 2007
    Posts
    595

    Default Re: can vs can't

    Americans will typically have a shorter a sound that British speakers in can't. Americans will use /ӕ/ whereas Brits will use /a:/. But both will say /kən/ for can in most cases.

    I can see how in American English, it would be difficult to tell the difference if they were stressing can or can't in the sentence.

    "I can do it" or "I can't do it." Especially in this example, because the /d/ sound that follows is exactly the same mouth position as the /t/ at the end of "can't."
    keannu likes this.

  5. #5
    I'm With Stupid's Avatar
    I'm With Stupid is offline Senior Member
    • Member Info
      • Member Type:
      • English Teacher
      • Native Language:
      • English
      • Home Country:
      • England
      • Current Location:
      • Vietnam
    Join Date
    Oct 2007
    Posts
    595

    Default Re: can vs can't

    Quote Originally Posted by keannu View Post
    Learning from a video lesson about difference between can and can't, I found the following.
    1. It's hard to tell the difference between a and b as glottal stop sounds just like a mute pause. Can native speakers tell the difference between a and b easily?
    Yes. The giveaway is the length of the vowel sound. Can has a short vowel even when it's stressed: /kӕn/. Can't has a long vowel sound /ka:nt/ (the t can be replaced with a glottal stop).

    Quote Originally Posted by keannu View Post
    2. In c, I was surprised to find /kɪn/ as I have never seen it. Maybe I took /kən/ for /kɪn/ as the former sounds similar to the latter. And I learned /kən/ instead of /kɪn/, so do I have to abandon /kən/ from now on?
    No. That's a very particular pronunciation. I've heard it before, but most people say /kən/.
    keannu likes this.

  6. #6
    5jj's Avatar
    5jj
    5jj is offline Moderator
    • Member Info
      • Member Type:
      • Retired English Teacher
      • Native Language:
      • British English
      • Home Country:
      • England
      • Current Location:
      • Czech Republic
    Join Date
    Oct 2010
    Posts
    24,029

    Default Re: can vs can't

    Quote Originally Posted by I'm With Stupid View Post
    Americans will typically have a shorter a sound that British speakers in can't. Americans will use /ӕ/ whereas Brits will use /a:/. But both will say /kən/ for can in most cases.
    The giveaway is the length of the vowel sound. Can has a short vowel even when it's stressed: /kӕn/. Can't has a long vowel sound /ka:nt/ (the t can be replaced with a glottal stop).
    You appear to be contradicting yourself there.

    The second quote is true for most speakers of BrE but not, as you pointed out in the first quote, for most speakers of AmE.
    keannu likes this.
    Context is important. Please provide enough for us to be able to deal effectively with your question.
    Your thread title should include all or part of the word/phrase being discussed.
    If you just want to know the meaning of a word, try OneLook Dictionary Search first.


  7. #7
    I'm With Stupid's Avatar
    I'm With Stupid is offline Senior Member
    • Member Info
      • Member Type:
      • English Teacher
      • Native Language:
      • English
      • Home Country:
      • England
      • Current Location:
      • Vietnam
    Join Date
    Oct 2007
    Posts
    595

    Default Re: can vs can't

    What can I say? I usually speak to British people.
    keannu likes this.

  8. #8
    keannu's Avatar
    keannu is offline Key Member
    • Member Info
      • Member Type:
      • Student or Learner
      • Native Language:
      • Korean
      • Home Country:
      • South Korea
      • Current Location:
      • South Korea
    Join Date
    Dec 2010
    Posts
    3,673

    Default Re: can vs can't

    This can probably be best answered by Americans. In my experience, I really had a hard time distinguishing "can" and "can't" when "can" was "stressed". As you said, /kən/ seems to be more common for "can", but if they stressed it, I had no way to tell as I didn't even know about glottal stop.

    If this is so hard, how do Americans tell these two confusing sounds? Do they have a secret like context or gesture- I even heard from Americans that they sometimes tell from facial expressions or gestures? But this won't apply in other cases as sometimes I have to practice taped listening tests, which has no clue of such things.

    ...I can see how in American English, it would be difficult to tell the difference if they were stressing can or can't in the sentence...
    Last edited by keannu; 23-Aug-2012 at 01:27.

  9. #9
    Chicken Sandwich's Avatar
    Chicken Sandwich is offline Senior Member
    • Member Info
      • Member Type:
      • Interested in Language
      • Native Language:
      • Russian
      • Home Country:
      • Russian Federation
      • Current Location:
      • Netherlands
    Join Date
    Jun 2010
    Posts
    1,250

    Default Re: can vs can't

    Context can tell us a lot.

  10. #10
    konungursvia's Avatar
    konungursvia is offline Key Member
    • Member Info
      • Member Type:
      • Academic
      • Native Language:
      • English
      • Home Country:
      • Canada
      • Current Location:
      • Canada
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Posts
    4,375

    Default Re: can vs can't

    I think it's the reverse. Unvoiced consonants are nearly always preceded by shorter vowels, with voiced ones following longer vowels. "Can" to me sounds 20% longer than "can't."

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
Hotchalk

Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.1