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30-Aug-2006, 20:31
| | Newbie | | Join Date: Aug 2006 Country: France
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Current Location: French First Language: French | |  ation - Ayshen or Ayshun
Hiya,
I've seen a french film today where there was an american man. He had an accent that seemed strange to me.
When he pronounced ' ation' as in 'Sta tion, crea tion, varia tion, tempta tion, irrita tion'
he pronounced Ayshun....The 'u' letter as in g un/ g um / pl um
I normally hear it pronounced Ayshen the 'e' letter as in Fr ed/ b ed/ d ead
Which is correct and what accent did he speak in?
Many thanks
P.S: Sorry if I made the question sound confusing! |
30-Aug-2006, 20:41
| | Moderator | | Join Date: Feb 2005 Country: England
Posts: 2,428
Current Location: SE England First Language: British English Member Type: Other | |  Re: ation - Ayshen or Ayshun
Hello G8
In BrE, the vowel in the final syllable of "station", "creation", etc. would be pronounced as a schwa (i.e. quite like the vowel in French "le", "ce", "te", or like the vowel in English "the").
A passing AmE member will correct me if I'm wrong; but I think this would probably be true of most AmE accents too. (I'm finding it difficult to imagine the "u" in "gun" or the "e" in "bed" as the final syllable.)
So your actor must have had a very unusual accent. Who was the actor? Maybe that will help us track down the accent!
See you,
MrP |
26-Sep-2006, 01:23
| | Newbie | | Join Date: May 2004 Country: Sydney, Australia
Posts: 30
| | Re: ation - Ayshen or Ayshun
I may be a little late for this post, but I will give it a go.
My copy of the Oxford Advanced Learner's Dictionary, indicates the pronunciation (with no additional pronunciation attributed to NamE)of station as:
song / time / play / she / no |
26-Sep-2006, 06:53
| | Senior Member | | Join Date: May 2006 Country: Belarus
Posts: 1,335
First Language: Russian | | Re: ation - Ayshen or Ayshun
Hi,
Well, I think it’s M.Jagger’s voice that started singing in my head when I saw the question:
Well, I’m going
To the [stayshun]
With a [sootcase]
In my hand…
I’ve often heard [-shun] for –tion, but only in songs.
Cheers |
01-Oct-2006, 06:20
| | Newbie | | Join Date: Sep 2006 Country: turkiye
Posts: 15
Current Location: sanlıurfa First Language: turkish | | Re: ation - Ayshen or Ayshun
Hi everyone ! when ı saw the heading in the thread ı could'nt believe my eyes somebody is asking about the pronunciation of my name. You know what my name is ..."Ayshen" meaning "cheerful moon" in Turkish.The pronunciation is /aishen/.Bye.  |
01-Oct-2006, 22:08
| | Moderator | | Join Date: Feb 2005 Country: England
Posts: 2,428
Current Location: SE England First Language: British English Member Type: Other | | Re: ation - Ayshen or Ayshun
Welcome to Using English, Ayshen!
It's an auspicious beginning.
All the best,
MrP |
02-Oct-2006, 17:03
| | Newbie | | Join Date: Sep 2006 Country: turkiye
Posts: 15
Current Location: sanlıurfa First Language: turkish | | Re: ation - Ayshen or Ayshun
Hi again !Please first let me say that I am really happy with you and your help for my english and then that I have something to ask .Is the word "forenoon" still used in everyday conversations or is it the word I came across in the great novel of Dickens's? |
02-Oct-2006, 22:09
| | Moderator | | Join Date: Feb 2005 Country: England
Posts: 2,428
Current Location: SE England First Language: British English Member Type: Other | | Re: ation - Ayshen or Ayshun
You're welcome, Ayshen!
"Forenoon" is archaic (old-fashioned) now. In standard BrE, for instance, you would only use it jocularly.
So we are left with "morning"!
All the best,
MrP | |
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