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Old 11-Apr-2007, 12:47
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Could you give me the rule of pronouncing /s/ /z/ or /iz/ at the bold:
ex: dresses, plays, sandwhiches, witches, asks....
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Could you give me the rule of pronouncing /s/ /z/ or /iz/ at the bold:
ex: dresses, plays, sandwhiches, witches, asks....
dress[Iz]
play[z]
sandwhich[Iz]
witch[Iz]
ask[s]
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That's just some examples, could you give me the rule/principal of pronouncing them?
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Could you give me the rule of pronouncing /s/ /z/ or /iz/ at the bold:
ex: dresses, plays, sandw[h]iches, witches, asks....
Here's a first approximation:

if a plural (noun) or verb ending (/s/) follows a fricative or an affricate, use /ız/:
dress => /dresız/ ; witch => /wıʧız/; wedge => /weʤız, etc.

if a plural (noun) or verb ending (/s/) follows any other voiceless consonant, use /s/:
ask => /asks/ etc.

if a plural (noun) or verb ending (/s/) follows a vowel sound or a voiced consonant (that isn't a fricative or an affricate), use /z/:
play => /pleız/ ; weed => /wi:dz/ etc.

There must be a site somewhere that spells all this out. I'll have a look.

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- /s/ after voiceless sounds { p, f , th, t , k , h } except for [s, sh, ch] which are voiceless but they belong to another category called 'hissing sounds'

-/iz/ after the hissing sounds [s , z, sh , ch, 3 , d3]

-/z/ after all sounds saved the above.
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Thanks all
But I still don't get what is "fricative" or "affricative"?
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Here's some definitions, I hope it helps:

Fricative
"A consonant, such as f or s in English, produced by the forcing of breath through a constricted passage. Also called spirant."
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And affricative?
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Affricative

"A complex speech sound consisting of a stop consonant followed by a fricative; for example, the initial sounds of child and joy."

Fricative is pretty simple.

But I'm not too sure about the meaning of affricative.
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Actually I do understand come to think of it.

Affricative

Sandwiches
Children
Witches
Joy
Adjust

Are all examples of affricatives sounds.

[EDIT]: By the way, in case you're wondering.

About voiced consonants (from Wikipedia):
"A voiced consonant is a sound made as the vocal cords vibrate, as opposed to a voiceless consonant, where the vocal cords are relaxed. Examples are: In English, the main distinction between /b, d, g/ and /p, t, k/ is not that the former are voiced, but rather that the latter are aspirated. There are indeed several English dialects where /b, d, g/ are voiceless."

Good question by the way. Very enlightening.

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