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11-Apr-2007, 11:47
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Current Location: Viet First Language: Vietnamese | | /s/ /z/ /iz/ Could you give me the rule of pronouncing /s/ /z/ or /iz/ at the bold:
ex: dress es, play s, sandwhich es, witch es, ask s.... | 
11-Apr-2007, 11:49
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Originally Posted by Belly T Could you give me the rule of pronouncing /s/ /z/ or /iz/ at the bold:
ex: dress es, play s, sandwhich es, witch es, ask s....  | dress[Iz]
play[z]
sandwhich[Iz]
witch[Iz]
ask[s] | 
11-Apr-2007, 14:43
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Current Location: Viet First Language: Vietnamese | | Re: /s/ /z/ /iz/ That's just some examples, could you give me the rule/principal of pronouncing them? | 
11-Apr-2007, 17:54
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Current Location: England (South East) First Language: English Member Type: English Teacher | | Re: /s/ /z/ /iz/ Quote:
Originally Posted by Belly T Could you give me the rule of pronouncing /s/ /z/ or /iz/ at the bold:
ex: dress es, play s, sandw [h]ich es, witch es, ask s....  | Here's a first approximation:
if a plural (noun) or verb ending (/s/) follows a fricative or an affricate, use /ız/:
dress => /dresız/ ; witch => /wıʧız/; wedge => /weʤız, etc.
if a plural (noun) or verb ending (/s/) follows any other voiceless consonant, use /s/:
ask => /asks/ etc.
if a plural (noun) or verb ending (/s/) follows a vowel sound or a voiced consonant (that isn't a fricative or an affricate), use /z/:
play => /pleız/ ; weed => /wi:dz/ etc.
There must be a site somewhere that spells all this out. I'll have a look.
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11-Apr-2007, 20:50
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Current Location: Kuwait First Language: Arabic Member Type: Student or Learner | | Re: /s/ /z/ /iz/ - /s/ after voiceless sounds { p, f , th, t , k , h } except for [s, sh, ch] which are voiceless but they belong to another category called 'hissing sounds'
-/iz/ after the hissing sounds [s , z, sh , ch, 3 , d3]
-/z/ after all sounds saved the above. | 
12-Apr-2007, 04:30
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Current Location: Viet First Language: Vietnamese | | Re: /s/ /z/ /iz/ Thanks all
But I still don't get what is "fricative" or "affricative"? | 
12-Apr-2007, 04:35
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Current Location: China First Language: French Member Type: Other | | Re: /s/ /z/ /iz/ Here's some definitions, I hope it helps: Fricative
"A consonant, such as f or s in English, produced by the forcing of breath through a constricted passage. Also called spirant." | 
12-Apr-2007, 04:53
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Current Location: Viet First Language: Vietnamese | | Re: /s/ /z/ /iz/ And affricative? | 
12-Apr-2007, 05:07
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Current Location: China First Language: French Member Type: Other | | Re: /s/ /z/ /iz/ Affricative
"A complex speech sound consisting of a stop consonant followed by a fricative; for example, the initial sounds of child and joy." Fricative is pretty simple.
But I'm not too sure about the meaning of affricative. | 
12-Apr-2007, 05:14
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Current Location: China First Language: French Member Type: Other | | Re: /s/ /z/ /iz/ Actually I do understand come to think of it. Affricative
Sandwiches Children
Witches Joy
Adjust
Are all examples of affricatives sounds.
[EDIT]: By the way, in case you're wondering.
About voiced consonants (from Wikipedia): "A voiced consonant is a sound made as the vocal cords vibrate, as opposed to a voiceless consonant, where the vocal cords are relaxed. Examples are: In English, the main distinction between /b, d, g/ and /p, t, k/ is not that the former are voiced, but rather that the latter are aspirated. There are indeed several English dialects where /b, d, g/ are voiceless."
Good question by the way. Very enlightening.
Last edited by Noego; 12-Apr-2007 at 05:22.
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