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Old 15-May-2009, 19:36
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Default [BrE/RP]Angry/Hungry

Hi,
I've been practising my pronunciation for a while, because of the PET exam I shall take in one week.

In order to do so I've used both a website (howjsay) and a TTS (text-to-speech) software.

That's when I've found out how similar do angry and hungry sound, especially in British English and Received Pronunciation: I've always been taught to say "angry" pronouncing the "a" almost like the "e" in elephant, like my two half-American class mates do, and know I've "heard" out () how similar these two words sound.

Just to be sure that I'm not misunderstanding the pronunciation, would you please be so kind to listen to that website and tell me if that's the British way of pronouncing the two word, with only a "h" distinguishing the two of them?
(I think the angry "a" is like the one in cat)

Click me to listen to "hungry"
Click me to listen to "angry"

(Sorry for the links, but they were strictly necessary)
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Old 16-May-2009, 01:14
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Default Re: [BrE/RP]Angry/Hungry

[ae]ngry, [ae] as in apple

[h]ungry, <u> as in up
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Old 16-May-2009, 07:54
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Default Re: [BrE/RP]Angry/Hungry

Thank you!
I checked again that very website, listening carefully with a louder volume, and it is indeed pronounced as you say (but apple is not pronounced as [ae])

Thank you!
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Question Re: [BrE/RP]Angry/Hungry

The “a” in “apple” is normally pronounced as an “ae”. If not, what should it be (in your dialect)?
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Old 17-May-2009, 11:41
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I dont know what to think: 3 different British/RP computer-created voices pronounce apple with the "a" of cat and stamps, not with "ae".
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Default Re: [BrE/RP]Angry/Hungry

Soup's answer is correct.

angry >> "a" as in cat/bat/sat; hungry >> "u" as in Hungary/under/up.
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Default Re: [BrE/RP]Angry/Hungry

I think, Anglika, Simosito is confusing the phonetic symbol /a/ (alphabet letter “a”) with the IPA digraph /F/ (the ‘ash’ symbol). /a/ is not considered an IPA vowel phoneme but /F/ (or /ae/ if the digraph doesn’t show up correctly in this message) is. While /a/ is a typical lexical pronunciation symbol used by Webster or Gage Canadian, you won’t see that in dictionaries that use IPA symbols.
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