reliable

[Ju]

1. She is a reliable person. (right)

2. She is reliable. (right)

3. She is trustworthy. (right)

4. She is a trustworthy person. (wrong)

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Are the comment I put in the bracket at the end of the sentence correct?



ju

 

[Rover_KE]

Number 4 is right.

 

[Route21]

Hi Ju

I agree with Rover, but, based on a previous unfortunate contractual experience of different interpretations between UKE and AME, I believe what Rover meant, strictly speaking, was: "Number 4 is also right"

It is similar to the problem where, in UKE, a double-negative represents a positive, whereas in AME, I understand, a double negative reinforces the negative.

"Number 4 is right" could, to some people, mean that: "She is a trustworthy person. (wrong)" (unlike the other statements) is a correct statement, which is not what, I believe, was intended.

It's just one of the nuances of the English language, but the difference in my case almost lead to a wrong interpretation of a final response from international tenderers (bidders) and a major contract being incorrectly awarded, on a misconception, to the wrong bidder. Thankfully we realised it in time.

I know it's a bit "picky" but, in a contractual context, you soon learn to be very careful with your very precise wording.

Hence my specific interest in language

Hope this helps
R21

 

[Rover_KE]

Fair comment, R21.

Rover

 

[riquecohen]

R21- I agree that there can be a problem with ambiguity in post#2, but where did you get the idea that in AmE a double negative reinforces the negative? I infer from this that you believe that this is the norm in the US. While this form is occasionally heard in both AmE and BrE, it is, IMO, not acceptable.

 

[Barb_D]

R21but where did you get the idea that in AmE a double negative reinforces the negative?

I don't know nuthin' about that! ;-)

 

[Route21]

Well said, Barb.
I was racking my brains to think of a simple example!
Best regards
R21
PS Maybe I should have said "wrecking"!

 

[riquecohen]

Well said, Barb.
I was racking my brains to think of a simple example!
Best regards
R21
PS Maybe I should have said "wrecking"!

You may come up with dozens of examples, but they do not reflect the speech patterns of the man/woman in the street.

 

[Barb_D]

You may come up with dozens of examples, but they do not reflect the speech patterns of the man/woman in the street.

I have found, without fail, that on television crime dramas, when they tell an innocent person about a murder, the innocent person says either "I know! I'm shocked! It's so sad, etc" or "What? Oh my God! When? Where?"

And without fail, the guilty person says, "I don't know nuthin' about that."

I do use double negatives all the time, but only ironically, in jest. (Or intentionally to be create the positive, like "I don't not want to do it, but I just don't have time to do it now!")

 

[freezeframe]

You may come up with dozens of examples, but they do not reflect the speech patterns of the man/woman in the street.

Which street would that be?

The question may seem flippant but it's not. Depending on which street you are on (in which city, in which part of that city), the speech patterns will be different.

 

[Allen165]

Well said, Barb.
I was racking my brains to think of a simple example!
Best regards
R21
PS Maybe I should have said "wrecking"!

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[Ju]

I have found, without fail, that on television crime dramas, when they tell an innocent person about a murder, the innocent person says either "I know! I'm shocked! It's so sad, etc" or "What? Oh my God! When? Where?"

And without fail, the guilty person says, "I don't know nuthin' about that."

I do use double negatives all the time, but only ironically, in jest. (Or intentionally to be create the positive, like "I don't not want to do it, but I just don't have time to do it now!")

For "I don't know nuthin' about that."

a. To me, it's wrong in grammer. Instead, I will say,

1. I don't know anything about that.

or

2. I know nothing about that.
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b. By the way, are nothing and nuthing the same?
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ju

 

[Ju]

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Then, can I say

I was racking my brains to think of a single reason why she has been treating me so heartless.

ju

 

[khulood]

i agree with them i think all 4 sentences are right ..
best of luck ju

 

[Route21]

Hi Ju

"I was racking my brains to think of a single reason why she has been treating me so heartlessly."

This would work for me (NES but not a teacher)

Best regards
R21

 

[Route21]

Hi Ju

As far as your earlier post is concerned:

a) Other than in jest (as per Barb_D's post), anyone using the expression might as well say: "I don't know nuthin' about gramma' or spellin'."

b) I would regard "Nuthin', nuthing and even nothink and nuthink" as basically variations on the same English word, "nothing", as pronounced by those who haven't had access to (or profited from) a decent education.

Hope this helps
R21

 

[Ju]

Hi Ju

As far as your earlier post is concerned:

a) Other than in jest (as per Barb_D's post), anyone using the expression might as well say: "I don't know nuthin' about gramma' or spellin'."

b) I would regard "Nuthin', nuthing and even nothink and nuthink" as basically variations on the same English word, "nothing", as pronounced by those who haven't had access to (or profited from) a decent education.

Hope this helps
R21

Does it mean I shouldn't follow the using of "Nuthin', nuthing,nothink and nuthink".

ju

 

[Route21]

Hi Ju

Other than in jest (as in Barb_D's case), you should avoid using the words "nuthin' " etc.

Best regards
R21