a penny the stupider

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As long as learning is connected with earning, as long as certain jobs can only be reached through exams, so long must we take the examination system seriously. If another ladder to employment were contrived, much so-called education would disappear, and no one be a penny the stupider.

These words are from E. M. Forster.
Please explain the underline. What is meant by penny the stupider.
 

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If private education didn't have such an impact on British life, and we had other paths to professional advancement, then we would suffer no loss.
 
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As long as learning is connected with earning, as long as certain jobs can only be reached through exams, so long must we take the examination system seriously. If another ladder to employment were contrived, much so-called education would disappear, and no one be a penny the stupider.

[STRIKE]These words are from[/STRIKE] Source: Title of book by E. M. Forster.
Please explain the underlined part. What is meant by "penny the stupider"?

Note my corrections above. We need the full source - the title of the book as well as the author.

Also note that I have changed your thread title. Titles should include some/all of the words/phrases/sentences you are asking us about.
 
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Aspects of novel by E.M. Forster.
I didn’t find the link of the text


This is a complete excerpt from the essay.
After that there is another idea discussed in the essay.
 

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Aspects of the Novel by E.M. Forster.

I didn’t find [STRIKE]the[/STRIKE] a link [STRIKE]of[/STRIKE] to the text.

This is a complete excerpt from the essay. After that, there is another idea discussed in the essay.

Note my corrections above. You must give the complete, exact name of the book. You missed out "the". No one asked you for a link to the text. It's not necessary. I have no idea what the relevance is of your final two sentences. You gave the excerpt in post #1 and Tdol has answered your question.

For future reference, this is how the layout of such a post should look:

Title: the words you are asking us about

In the main body of the post:
The quote (ideally inside quotation marks)
The full source (title of the book and name of author)
Your question
 

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It's a playful subversion of the expression 'not a penny the wiser'.
 

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Tdol has answered your question.

Tdol gave the general comprehension, that I already have.
I am thankful to him.

I want to know about the underlined phrase specifically.

And I don't think so there is any need to mention the title and the author. Nevertheless I mentioned the author in the first post.

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I have noted all your instructions.
 

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What is meant by penny the stupider.

No one would be a penny the stupider means that no one would be any more stupid if they could get certain jobs without the prerequisite of exam-measured education.
 

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And I don't think [STRIKE]so[/STRIKE] there is any need to mention the title and the author.

You're wrong. The copyright laws in the UK, where the forum is based, are very strict. When you quote someone else's words, you must credit them by providing both the title and the author.
 

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No one would be a penny the stupider means that no one would be any more stupid if they could get certain jobs without the prerequisite of exam-measured education.

Does anyone else agree with it?
 

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Nasir, please click 'Thank' or 'Like' to post #9 to acknowledge that you have read and understood it.
 

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Many jobs in Forster's time, like the civil service, required people to take exams, and many still do, and these exams favour people from certain backgrounds. Opening the jobs to a wider selection would result in many able people having the chance to succeed.
 

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As long as learning is connected with earning, as long as certain jobs can only be reached through exams, so long must we take the examination system seriously. If another ladder to employment were contrived, much so-called education would disappear, and no one be a penny the stupider.

These words are from E. M. Forster.
Please explain the underline. What is meant by penny the stupider.
No one would be a penny the stupider means that no one would be any more stupid if they could get certain jobs without the prerequisite of exam-measured education.
Does anyone else agree with it?

Normally, nowadays, we're used to finding adverbial "the" only in "the older the wiser" construction and its variants, in which one adverbial "the" ties in with another.

In slightly older English, however, adverbial "the" was found before comparative words even outside that construction. This is the case in the Forster example.

In order to interpret sentences in which adverbial "the" introduces a comparative term, you need to look at the context and find what it relates to. For example:

He answered grammar questions all day, and he was not a penny the richer.

In that sentence, the "the" in "the richer" is adverbial "the." In order to interpret it, you need to look at the context. It relates to the first independent clause.

Without adverbial "the," the second independent clause would bear no overt connection to the first. The two facts would be represented as independently holding.

With adverbial "the," however, the meaning is clear: he was not a penny richer for having answered grammar questions all day.

In my interpretation of the Forster example, I did not consult my minimal knowledge of British history. I looked at the context and grasped the sentence meaning.
 
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