Always, the sun rises in the east.

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(1) The sun always rises in the east.
(2) Always, the sun rises in the east.
(3) The sun rises always in the east.
(4) The sun rises in the east always.

Hello, teachers.
I know (1) is common and natural. How about the others? Isn't there any chance I can use (2), (3), and (4)?
 
I wouldn't say sentence 4 would never be said but I agree sentence 1 is the most natural.
 
(1) The sun always rises in the east.
(2) Always, the sun rises in the east.
(3) The sun rises always in the east.
(4) The sun rises in the east always.

Hello, teachers.
I know (1) is common and natural. How about the others? Isn't there any chance I can use (2), (3), or (4)?
You can, but why would you?
 
(3) The sun rises always in the east.
I agree that (1) is much more natural than (3). Interestingly, though, in the related cleft sentence, "always" would naturally be positioned before "in the east," as it is in (3):

(3a) It is always in the east that the sun rises.

I find that sentence much more natural than this one:

(1a) It is in the east that the sun always rises.
 
How about dropping always? It's simply a fact and doesn't need it- the sun doesn't rise in the west occasionally.
 
How about dropping always? It's simply a fact and doesn't need it- the sun doesn't rise in the west occasionally.
It always does on Venus and occasionally on Uranus.

When discussing how we perceive the apparent motion of the sun across the sky as seen from various planets, it might be a good idea to include always. Other than that, if it's obvious we're talking about Earth, it's unnecessary to include always.
 
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If I'm still alive when people begin to populate Venus and Uranus, I've left myself a memo to be the first to update this thread.
 
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I meant there can be contexts in which using always makes more sense than not using it.

I agree, of course, that it's almost always not necessary to use always in a sentence like this one.
 
I meant there can be contexts in which using always makes more sense than not using it.
And it brightened my morning to learn of the situation on Venus. Mind you, I can't think of a sentence I have uttered in my life where I thought people might mistake what I meant for what happens on Venus rather than here. But that's probably my bad. :giggle:
 
How about dropping always? It's simply a fact and doesn't need it- the sun doesn't rise in the west occasionally.
In the right context, using always could be a way of explaining the factuality of the sun's rising in the east. Of course, then always would be emphasized:

Confused Child: The sun rose in the east this morning!
Father: The sun always rises in the east.
 
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