And through His creative inspiration, ...

[thatkok09]

And through His creative inspiration, this living expression (Jesus) made all things.

The antecedent of His is the Living Expression. Creative inspiration refers to creative thoughts.
Through is used for agency or by means of.

While with means using an instrument or tool.

So shouldn't the author have said.

And with His creative inspiration, this living expression (Jesus) made all things.

Or is there a nuance in meaning with through?


To me it sounds like
Creative inspiration isn't actually an instrument of creation but an agent as a result of which all things came into being.

Idk pls help me I'm confused

 

[emsr2d2]

"And through His creative inspiration, this living expression (Jesus) made all things."
(Source required here)

The antecedent of "His" is "the Living Expression". What do you mean?

"Creative inspiration" refers to creative thoughts. "Through" is used for agency or by means of no full stop here while "with" means using an instrument or tool.

So shouldn't the author have said no full stop here "And with His creative inspiration, this living expression (Jesus) made all things" or is there a nuance in meaning if he used with "through"?

To me, it sounds like "Creative inspiration isn't actually an instrument of creation but an agent as a result of which all things came into being".

Idk I don't know. pls Please help me. I'm confused.

Please note my multiple corrections to your text, punctuation and layout above. Before we go any further, please provide the source (title and author).

 

[thatkok09]

Please note my multiple corrections to your text, punctuation and layout above. Before we go any further, please provide the source (title and author).

Source https://www.bible.com/bible/1849/JHN.1.3.TPT

 

[Tarheel]

It's from the Bible (the book of John, I think).

Would I change anything? No, the writer said exactly what he meant to say.

The writer of that verse knew the Old Testament thoroughly. He was saying that Jesus was a spirit being before he became human.

 

[emsr2d2]

Source https://www.bible.com/bible/1849/JHN.1.3.TPT

Thank you. Please remember to provide the source straight away whenever you quote someone else's words. In this case, it would have sufficed to write "Source - The Bible (via the YouVersion app)".

 

[thatkok09]

It's from the Bible (the book of John, I think).

Would I change anything? No, the writer said exactly what he meant to say.

The writer of that verse knew the Old Testament thoroughly. He was saying that Jesus was a spirit being before he became human.

I know that. I'm not arguing that John didn't know what he was writing. I have a problem with this particular translation alone. Because every other translation says through Jesus all things were created while this one says Jesus created all things through His creative inspiration. The creative inspiration isn't an agent of creation. There's nothing even close to that mentioned in the OT. So I'd argue the translator of this paraphrase should've used "With". Then again it's a paraphrase so it has all sorts of wacky things

 

[5jj]

I'd argue the translator of this paraphrase should've used "With".

The translators' philosophy is here. I imagine they knew what they were attempting to do when they translated the words you quoted.

 

[SoothingDave]

The ending doxology of the Catholic Eucharistic Prayer covers all the bases:

Per ipsum, et cum ipso, et in ipso, est tibi Deo Patri omnipotenti in unitate Spiritus Sancti, omnis honor et gloria per omnia saecula saeculorum. Amen

Through him, with him, in him, in the unity of the Holy Spirit, all glory and honor is yours almighty Father, forever and ever Amen

 

[Tarheel]

@thatkok09 I think we have different interpretations of "creative inspiration".

 

[jutfrank]

Is this a question about language or about theology? If you don't like this translation, you don't have to read it.

 

[thatkok09]

@thatkok09 I think we have different interpretations of "creative inspiration".

Well what does it mean to you?

 

[Tarheel]

Well, what does it mean to you?

Understand the way the word "inspiration" is used in the Bible. Jesus as a spiritual being had the ability to create things. That was his his creative inspiration.

 

[White Hat]

There is a fairly interesting discussion here ('What does John 1:3 mean by "through Logos everything is made"?').

 

[White Hat]

Here is one of the good answers from that discussion: "Thayer explains that when "δι" ("through") is used in the genitive it can describe "the Means or Instrument by which anything is effected," and is used specifically of "one who is the author of the action as well as its instrument, or of the efficient cause". Liddel & Scott support this, stating that the primary usage of "dia" in the genitive when used causally is "of the agent" of the action." (by P. TJ.)

 

[thatkok09]

Understand the way the word "inspiration" is used in the Bible. Jesus as a spiritual being had the ability to create things. That was his his creative inspiration.

But my question stands. If Creative Inspiration is Jesus' ability to create things .
Why is it "through (not with) His creative inspiration, He made all things." It should be With.

 

[Tarheel]

But my question stands. If Creative Inspiration is Jesus' ability to create things .
Why is it "through (not with) His creative inspiration, He made all things." It should be With.

Two things. One, I am not going to second guess the translators of the Bible. Two, it's fine as is and doesn't need to be changed.

 

[thatkok09]

Two things. One, I am not going to second guess the translators of the Bible. Two, it's fine as is and doesn't need to be changed.

But what's the nuance in meaning?

I think with would imply that Jesus is the only member of Trinity responsible for creation.

While through implies that all the members of Trinity were equally involved in creation and using this creative inspiration.

 

[thatkok09]

I seem to have answered my own question.

 

[White Hat]

I think 'with' would imply that Jesus is the only member of [the] Trinity responsible for creation. While 'through' implies that all the members of [the] Trinity were equally involved in creation and using this creative inspiration.

This seems to make sense.

 

[Rover_KE]

You do.

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