[Vocabulary] help me to place dialects

[pandora88]

I'm writing about dialects of Great Britain. I found in a book 3 examples of dialect to say She is not coming:

• She bain't a comin
• Hoo inno comin
• Her idden comin

but I would place these expressions to the respective region of G.B. and I found only that

• She bain't coming - is spoken in the westcountry (is it true?)
• Hoo inno coming - is a rural dialect... BUT WHERE?
• her idden comin - where is it spoken?

Also,what are the differences between

• she's not coming
• she isn't coming
• She ani't coming

???

Thanks for your answers!

 

[bhaisahab]

I'm writing about dialects of Great Britain. I found in a book 3 examples of dialect to say She is not coming:

• She bain't a comin
• Hoo inno comin
• Her idden comin

but I would place these expressions to the respective region of G.B. and I found only that

• She bain't coming - is spoken in the westcountry (is it true?)
• Hoo inno coming - is a rural dialect... BUT WHERE?
• her idden comin - where is it spoken?

Also,what are the differences between

• she's not coming
• she isn't coming
• She ain't coming

???

Thanks for your answers!

"She bain't comin'" looks like west country English, it's a shortened form of "She be not coming". There is a tendency in west country dialects to use "be" instead of "is" and "are". I can't say I recognise the other examples.
"She's not coming", "She isn't coming" and "She ain't coming" all mean the same. "Ain't" is considered uneducated though.

 

[RonBee]

I think that more of us "ain't" than will admit it. Especially for emphasis. Example:
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I ain't going, and you can't make me.

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Of course, I could be wrong, but I tend to think that those who never say "ain't" may be in the same category as those who never swear.

 

[5jj]

I think that more of us "ain't" than will admit it. Especially for emphasis. Example:
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I ain't going, and you can't make me.
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Of course, I could be wrong, but I tend to think that those who never say "ain't" may be in the same category as those who never swear.

Well I bloody well don't use ain't. And I don't bloody swear, neither.

On a slightly more serious note, I have to disagree with your first point, at least as far as I am concerned. I don't know any reasonably educated speakers of Southern BrE who use ain't except jokingly, or in such expressions as, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it". I know that we drop our aitches more than we admit, and that we say (not write) wanna and gotta, but not ain't.

Incidentally, I find it interesting that we bother to put the apostrophe in the written form as if it were the contraction of ai not.

 

[RonBee]

Well, I said I could be wrong. (I am often wrong. ;-)) (Darn, I left a word out again. )

 

[Tdol]

This page suggests that hoo is an archaic pronoun used in the Derbyshire dialect. I grew up in a neighbouring county and can't say I heard it used.

Accents and dialects of the UK

 

[5jj]

This page suggests that hoo is an archaic pronoun used in the Derbyshire dialect. I grew up in a neighbouring county and can't say I heard it used.

Accents and dialects of the UK

Following leads from that page, I came across one (which I have now lost, sorry) suggesting that her also is/was used as a subject pronoun in Derby.

When I worked in Exeter in the mid 1970s, I frequently heard 'er and 'e used as subject pronouns; if I recall correctly, they were used for all genders.

I feel that idden for isn't is not uncommon in many parts of England.

 

[5jj]

A follow-up to my last post.

Since I read the OP I have used idden in conversations with several native speakers, including a couple of teachers, in both negative statements and question tags. Immediately after completing the utterance, I have asked people what they think they have heard. Answers vary between innit and isn't it. Nobody so far has heard idden it. This is a very unscientific way of suggesting that it might be more common than we realise.

My pronunciation has been close to /IdnIt/, with a syllabic /n/

 

[pandora88]

Thank you for your answers!

Peter Trudgill in The dialects of England (1994) talk about traditional dialects and he did these examples to explain how a dialect is different from standard english, and you are really helpfull for me because, obviously, not beeing an english speaker I can't understand very well the differences and especially set these sentences with the respective regional dialect.

 

[Tdol]

Following leads from that page, I came across one (which I have now lost, sorry) suggesting that her also is/was used as a subject pronoun in Derby.

When I worked in Exeter in the mid 1970s, I frequently heard 'er and 'e used as subject pronouns; if I recall correctly, they were used for all genders.

It's not confined to Derby; I've heard it used around the Midlands.