"The" in fixed expressions

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Hello.

Is is always "At the concert" not "At a concert" because it's a fixed expression? Just like "At the station", "At the doctor's" etc.
"Were there many people at the concert last night?"
It's from "Essential Grammar in Use" by Raymond Murphy.
 

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It's only "the concert" if you know which concert is being discussed.
 
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It's only "the concert" if you know which concert is being discussed.

Are "at a station" and "at a doctor's" also possible in the right context? For example, "I met her at a station." If mention them, "station" and "at a doctor's" for the first time.
 
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Are "at a station" and "at a doctor's" also possible in the right context? For example, "I met her at a station." If mention them, "station" and "at a doctor's" for the first time.


In colloquial BrE the surgery that you normally attend would be "the doctor's" without any need to establish that you are talking about your own doctor.
 

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I agree. I merely noted that 'at a doctor's' is possible.

So the definite article in these expressions which I asked about and in my new sentences shows that we are talking about specific places. Am I right? For example, "On the bus" and "on the train". "I came home on the bus." "I had a meal on the train." If it is because the person who is speaking is on the specific train and bus which he is speaking about, I can understand it , but "Essential Grammar in Use" by Murphy shows a man in the picture and says "He is in a plane" and in another picture it says "They are at a wedding." Not "At the wedding" or "On the plane."
The complete sentences are here:

1. "Are you hungry after your journey?" "No, I had a meal on the train."

2. "I walked to work but I came home by the bus."
 

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1. The first speaker presumably knows that the second's journey was by train, so 'the train' can suggest "the particular train on which I was travelling.
2. This one is slightly unusual - I'd expect 'by bus'. 'By the bus' suggests a particular bus know to both parties in the conversation.

I have to warn you that if you are looking for rock-hard rules on the use of articles, you are going to be disappointed. In some cases, we have a lot of leeway.



Oh, yes. I know that. Then if we have the definite article with "bus", "train", "plane", etc it suggests that the word was mentioned before, doesn't it?
 

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Oh, yes. I know that. Then if we have the definite article with "bus", "train", "plane", etc it suggests that the word was mentioned before, doesn't it?
I'm afraid not. I hasten to add that this is not my fault.
 

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It's not his fault. It's my fault. ;-)

If I say "I took the bus" I am not talking about any particular bus. I took the bus that came by while I was at the bus stop
 
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