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Hello.

What is the difference between (who plus verb) and (whom plus subject and verb)?

For example,

I would like to thank teacher X who helped me during my studying.

I would like to thank teacher X whom he helped me during my studying.
 
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#2 is wrong. I would add "would" after "I" and replace "studying" with "studies".

Where did you get the sentences from?

I have added "would" I missed it.

I wrote them.
 

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What is the difference between (who plus verb) "who + verb" and (whom plus subject and verb) "whom + subj + verb"?

For example:

1.
I would like to thank my teacher, [name], who helped me during my studying studies.
2. I would like to thank teacher X whom he helped me during my studying. ❌
Please note my corrections above.

We don't enclose words we're marking out in brackets. Use quotation marks or italics.
Whenever you give us more than one sentence to look at, number them so they're easier to refer to in responses.

Sentence 1 is correct with my slight change at the end.
Sentence 2 is totally ungrammatical and means nothing. We don't use "whom he helped me" at all.
 

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We don't use "whom he helped me" at all.
That is possible, but not in the sentence quoted above.

I'm also truly grateful to his cousin whom he helped me get to know better.
[ "whom" refers to "cousin"]
 

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I'm also truly grateful to his cousin whom he helped me get to know better.
Does "he" refer to cousin? His cousin helped me to get to know better his cousin?
 

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Does "he" refer to cousin? His cousin helped me to get to know better his cousin?

No. It refers to somebody outside of the text.
 

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Somebody helped me to get to know better his cousin?
 

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Somebody helped me to get to know better his cousin?

I think that's what teechar means, yes. The sentence is quite hard to understand.

There's a person outside the text (P). This person has a cousin (C).

1) I'm grateful to C.
2) P helped me get to know C better.
 

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That is possible, but not in the sentence quoted above.

I'm also truly grateful to his cousin whom he helped me get to know better.
[ "whom" refers to "cousin"]

Thank you so much. I really appreciate your contributions @teechar , @emsr2d2 and @jutfrank and @tedmc . I hope this new year bring you the utmost in peace and prosperity. 🎁 🙏

I guess "who" is used to refer directly to the person you are previously mentioned.

1. I would like to thank my father who made me what I am today. "Who refers to my father"
"Whom" is used for two people and is followed a subject and consists of two clauses. For example,

2. My brother gave me a letter to whom we me yesterday.
3. X is my best artist whom my brother and me attended his live concert regularly.
4. My wife is the love of my life, with whom I feel I am the happiest guy on earth. Here I am confused between with her and with whom.
5. Yogurt and diary products are healthy products by which human digest food.

Thank you again.
 

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Does "he" refer to cousin? His cousin helped me to get to know better his cousin?
No. "he" and "his" refer to a third person. For example,
I'm grateful to John's cousin whom John helped me get to know better.
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John helped me to get to know his (John's) cousin better.
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I am grateful to John's cousin.
 

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I hope this new year brings you the utmost in peace and prosperity.
Thanks for your kind wishes. I hope you get into the habit of always checking your sentences before submitting them. You can drastically reduce your mistakes that way. :)
We need "brings" because "this new year" equates to "it".
I guess "who" is used to refer directly to the person you are previously mentioned.
The verb is "mentioned", so "are" is wrong. You can say "have mentioned" if you want to use the present perfect.
1. I would like to thank my father who made me what I am today. "Who" refers to my father, doesn't it?
Yes, it does.
"Whom" is used for two people and is followed a subject and consists of two clauses. For example,
2. My brother gave me a letter to whom we me yesterday.
I have no idea what that means, and the sentence you wrote is ungrammatical.
3. X is my best artist whom my brother and me attended his live concert regularly.
No, that is ungrammatical. You can say "X is my favourite singer whom my brother and I idolize". Note that "whom" works as an object.
(My brother and I idolize him).
4. My wife is the love of my life, with whom I feel I am the happiest guy on earth. Here I am confused between with her and with whom.
"With whom" is correct; "with her" would not be correct in that sentence.
5. Yogurt and diary products are healthy products by which human digest food.
That is grammatical but not factual. "By which" means we use something to achieve some aim. However, we do not use yogurt and dairy (note the correct spelling) products to digest food. We use our digestive systems for that.
 

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Thank you so much. I really appreciate your contribution. Thank you for your advice. I have to work on expanding vocabulary and grammar first. 😢
I have no idea what that means, and the sentence you wrote is ungrammatical.
My brother gave me a letter to whom we me yesterday.

I meant by this sentence is that my brother gave me a letter. The letter is to someone we (my brother and I) met yesterday"

No, that is ungrammatical. You can say "X is my favourite singer whom my brother and I idolize". Note that "whom" works as an object.
(My brother and I idolize him).

Could I say X is my favourite singer whom my brother and I attend his concerts?


That is grammatical but not factual. "By which" means we use something to achieve some aim.
Thank you for your explanation.

I guess this sentence is correct.

My brother taught me the formulas by which I can solve math equations.

God bless and sorry for taking up your time. 🙏
 

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I meant by this sentence is that my brother gave me a letter. The letter is to someone we (my brother and I) met yesterday"
Grammar aside (whether you use "who" or "whom"), that sentence is no good in English. Forget about it.
Could I say X is my favourite singer whom my brother and I attend his concerts?
No. In such a sentence, you can use (the possessive) "whose" (the concerts belong to the singer).
X is my favourite singer, whose concerts my brother and I attend.
My brother taught me the formulas by which I can solve math equations.
Yes, that works, but note that "math" is AmE; other varieties use "maths".
God bless and sorry for taking up your time. 🙏
There's nothing to be sorry about. That's what the forum is for.
 

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My brother gave me a letter to whom we met yesterday.
I meant by this sentence is that my brother gave me a letter. The letter is to someone we (my brother and I) met yesterday"
There's no place for "whom" in that sentence.

My brother gave me a letter [addressed] to the person we met yesterday.
 

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God bless and Sorry for taking up your time. 🙏
Don't apologise for asking questions. However, please avoid any overt religious statements. (That applies to all religions.) We keep the forum secular.
 
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