[Grammar] You will have no identifying marks of any kind

[Ferdie11]

Hi,

Is my idea below correct?

Synonyms of of any kind

You will have no identifying marks of any kind.

Is the same thing as saying, you will have no identifying marks in any way.

Many thanks.

 

[Ferdie11]

So without "of any kind" the sentence would still make sense?

 

[emsr2d2]

So without "of any kind" the sentence would still make sense?

As explained above, the problem with this sentence is the use of "You will have". It is impossible to say that someone will have no identifying marks in the future - anything might happen causing them to have scars or other "identifying marks".

"Of any kind" is fine, but you can only speak of "identifying marks" either in the past or the future. For example:

I had no identifying marks of any kind when I was born, but now I have a huge scar on my face.

I have no identifying marks of any kind at the moment, but who knows what might happen tomorrow?!

 

[Ferdie11]

Hi,

Is my idea below correct?

Synonyms of of any kind

You will have no identifying marks of any kind.

Is the same thing as saying, you will have no identifying marks in any way.

Many thanks.

Ok. Thank you. But, actually, my question here is "Do the sentences below the same in meaning?"

1.You will have no identifying marks of any kind
2. You will have no identifying marks in any way.

Many thanks.

 

[bertietheblue]

The 2nd sentence doesn't sound right to me. I think (but note fellow teachers, am not 100% certain) that 'in any way' is an adverbial phrase that qualifies a verb of action; 'have' is not a verb of action so it doesn't work - cf 'he won't mark you in any way' = 'he won't mark you to any extent whatsoever'.

The 1st sentence is fine but note here you are using an adjectival phrase, 'of any kind'; you're talking about the nature of the marks and not the extent of the marking.

 

[Raymott]

"You will have no identifying marks of any kind."

I don't see the problem with this if it's used in the right context.
A surgeon might be promising someone this before he removes someone tattoos.

It could also be a command rather than a prediction or a promise.

 

[bertietheblue]

"You will have no identifying marks of any kind."
As I said, I agree - this is perfectly fine

I don't see the problem with this if it's used in the right context.
A surgeon might be promising someone this before he removes someone tattoos.

It could also be a command rather than a prediction or a promise.

Bertie

 

[Raymott]

"You will have no identifying marks of any kind."
As I said, I agree - this is perfectly fine

Bertie

I wasn't disagreeing with you (this time). ;-)
I was questioning the interpretation of earlier posters. My post simply appeared below yours. If I want to disagree with you, I'll quote you. That is what most posters do.

 

[bertietheblue]

I wasn't disagreeing with you (this time). ;-)
I was questioning the interpretation of earlier posters. My post simply appeared below yours. If I want to disagree with you, I'll quote you. That is what most posters do. Ah, OK, you'll have to excuse me: I only joined this forum 2 days ago. Fun, isn't it?

Bertie

 

[Ferdie11]

The 2nd sentence doesn't sound right to me. I think (but note fellow teachers, am not 100% certain) that 'in any way' is an adverbial phrase that qualifies a verb of action; 'have' is not a verb of action so it doesn't work - cf 'he won't mark you in any way' = 'he won't mark you to any extent whatsoever'.

The 1st sentence is fine but note here you are using an adjectival phrase, 'of any kind'; you're talking about the nature of the marks and not the extent of the marking.

So 'he won't mark you to any extent whatsoever' is the correct one?

 

[bertietheblue]

So 'he won't mark you to any extent whatsoever' is the correct one?

I wouldn't say that; I'm just trying to retain your original structure as much as possible in explaining the meaning. How about:

'He won't leave any marks on you whatsoever'

or, if the emphasis is on the marks and not on the person leaving or not leaving the marks, which is probably more likely:

'There'll be no marks left on you whatsoever'

or

'No marks will be left on you whatsoever'?

 

[Ferdie11]

The 2nd sentence doesn't sound right to me. I think (but note fellow teachers, am not 100% certain) that 'in any way' is an adverbial phrase that qualifies a verb of action; 'have' is not a verb of action so it doesn't work - cf 'he won't mark you in any way' = 'he won't mark you to any extent whatsoever'.

The 1st sentence is fine but note here you are using an adjectival phrase, 'of any kind'; you're talking about the nature of the marks and not the extent of the marking.

So, 'he won't mark you to any extent whatsoever' is the correct one?