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    Default Re: What does "society's failure" mean here?

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnParis View Post
    You have violated copyright agreements by posting a PDF of the article.
    Please remove it immediately.

    Your English seems nearly impeccable. This is a forum for learners. Perhaps you have surpassed that level?

    I'm sorry but I cannot let this pass.
    The authors and the publisher of this article are entitled to compensation for their hard work. For you to post a PDF of their endeavors - for free - is just not acceptable. Perhaps to some, copying and disseminating the work of others for free is admissible - but not to me.
    I am having second thoughts after looking further- the What's Hot links have this
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    http://thelancet.cn/dnn1201/hot_articloe/tabid/75/language/zh-CN/Default.aspx?CategoryId=847#850
    Would such a big publisher really have a section called articloe?

    I am going to pull the link to be on the safe side. The Whois email and the approach are different from thelancet.com. There's a lot of information to suggest it's real, but it's different from the Elsevier original site, so I will pull it for the moment as I have no wish to be contacted by their lawyers. It can go back if it can be shown clearly that the site is legitimate.

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    Default Re: What does "society's failure" mean here?

    Thank you for paying attention.
    But relax. No copyright act has been violated here. The article is an open source for some reason that needs not to be mentioned here.
    One clue, however, is what Tdol said there: we're all to blame (for antibiotic resistance). Because it is the society's failure. Thus obviously the article should be open -- anyone has access to it.
    The site is the branch in China of Elsevier itself.
    So on request, I'll post the link of the article here again.

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    Default Re: What does "society's failure" mean here?

    Quote Originally Posted by NewHopeR View Post
    But relax. No copyright act has been violated here. The article is an open source for some reason that needs not to be mentioned here. [...]
    So on request, I'll post the link of the article here again.
    I think the reason does need to be known before we can consider posting it here.
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    Default Re: What does "society's failure" mean here?

    Quote Originally Posted by fivejedjon View Post
    I think the reason does need to be known before we can consider posting it here.
    I think you've seen the best reason: Elsevier China itself has made it an open source.

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    Default Re: What does "society's failure" mean here?

    Fortunately I am not in a position to make decisions here, but I think Tdol, post #11, is right.

    Unless someone can produce incontrovertible evidence that the site is legally authorised to publish articles, then there seems to be little point in considering this further.,

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    Default Re: What does "society's failure" mean here?

    Quote Originally Posted by NewHopeR View Post
    The article is an open source for some reason that needs not to be mentioned here.
    I can't see any reason for hiding the reasons behind open source- open source is regarded as a positive thing. If it's open source, then the reasons are public. Everything about open source is open- if it's not open, it's not open source. When I looked at the site, I thought it looked genuine, but when I compared it to sites from the same company, I had real doubts. Please don't post links to it. Most people writing in this thread have read it anyway.
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    Default Re: What does "society's failure" mean here?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tdol View Post
    I can't see any reason for hiding the reasons behind open source- open source is regarded as a positive thing. If it's open source, then the reasons are public. Everything about open source is open- if it's not open, it's not open source. When I looked at the site, I thought it looked genuine, but when I compared it to sites from the same company, I had real doubts. Please don't post links to it. Most people writing in this thread have read it anyway.
    That's it.

    The reasons are indeed public. Only they are in Chinese characters.

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    Default Re: What does "society's failure" mean here?

    Dear NewHopeR.
    I owe you an apology and herewith tender it with sincere regrets.
    You were right and I was wrong.
    The following email arrived in my box just a few minutes go. The publisher does have a double standard. I have re-posted the article at the end of this message.

    * Response Via Email(Marie-Louise Klein) - 11/10/2011 02.48 PM

    Dear Sir

    Thank you for your e-mail.

    I can confirm that the homepage makes certain articles available for free.
    This is always subject to change, therefore I would advise you to download the article whilst possible.

    Should you need further assistance, please do not hesitate to contact me.

    Kind Regards
    Marie-Louise Klein
    Elsevier Customer Service
    EMEA
    Tel: +44 (0) 1865 84 34 34

    Did you know? You can visit our customer support website and view our
    Frequently Asked Questions at http://support.elsevier.com

    http://thelancet.cn/dnn1201/lancetcncampaignarticle.pdf
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