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Default 'Oh bother!' or 'Oh brother!'???

Help! Which one of these is the correct one? Or are both in usage with different meanings? I know it's an expression that should mean something like 'oh gosh!,oh my, oh dear, oh boy...etc' or doesn't it??
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Default Re: 'Oh bother!' or 'Oh brother!'???

"Oh, bother!" was a phrase used in older times; it was something a character in Pride and Prejudice or Jane Eyre might have said.

"Oh, brother!" is the common expression used today. It can mean "oh, dear" or "oh, boy" or "woe is me" or "Oy vey!"
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So, one can not really use 'oh, bother!' anymore I guess? Well thanks for the explanation.
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Default Re: 'Oh bother!' or 'Oh brother!'???

'Oh bother' is a polite way of saying 'damn it' (or worse)

'Oh brother' is an expression that means someting like 'Oh Lord/Oh my God

So they are different in my opinion.
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Default Re: 'Oh bother!' or 'Oh brother!'???

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'Oh bother' is a polite way of saying 'damn it' (or worse)

'Oh brother' is an expression that means someting like 'Oh Lord/Oh my God

So they are different in my opinion.
I agree, C, but at least for NaE, 'Oh bother', while not impossible, sounds rather dated. Perhaps it's because most people don't feel the need for such words. People tend to use the 'or worse'.
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Default Re: 'Oh bother!' or 'Oh brother!'???

Yes, it's still used in BrE though sometimes with a little pause after the 'Oh', then a vehement 'BOTHER" which seems to satisfy the speaker and doesn't upset the audience too much. The hidden meaning is clear
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Yes, it's still used in BrE though sometimes with a little pause after the 'Oh', then a vehement 'BOTHER" which seems to satisfy the speaker and doesn't upset the audience too much. The hidden meaning is clear
What hidden meaning now? The same as when one uses 'oh brother!' you mean to say? the 'oh my, oh gosh, oh dear' meaning?
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Default Re: 'Oh bother!' or 'Oh brother!'???

Oh...sorry!, I didn't see the previous post explaining the difference in the tw expressions. Now I get it, thanks!
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Default Re: 'Oh bother!' or 'Oh brother!'???

Other teachers have explained the different usages, Agnes. I'll just add - perhaps not necessarily - that the vowel sound in the first syllable differs:
bother /ɔ/ ; brother /ʌ/ .

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