FEEL, HEAR, SEE, WATCH, LISTEN, NOTICE + somebody / something + infinitive

[aysaa]

Hi,

1) Yesterday, I saw the girl whom I love holding a boy's hand. (Yesterday, I saw the girl whom I love as she was holding a boy's hand)

2) I heard the guy named Hector killed by a ganster. (I heard that the guy named Hector was killed by a ganster)

Can we use this structure if I put 'relative clause' or 'a participle' into the sentence? Are the meanings of the sentences I have written on the left side the same meaning in the brackets?

 

[JohnParis]

Verbiage alert! Your constructions are too complicated.
Yesterday, I saw the girl I love holding a boy's hand.
Yesterday, I saw the girl I love holding hands with another boy.
I heard that Hector was killed by a gangster.
"I heard that the guy named Hector was killed by a gangster" is correct, but awkward.
There is no need to add relative clauses or participles.

 

[aysaa]

I know it is too complicated also, but I want to get the answer if it is grammatically fine or not. Because I couldn't get the answer from you.

I heard the guy named Hector killed by a ganster yesterday. (The point is: Hector was killed)​

 

[JohnParis]

"I heard the guy named Hector killed by a ganster yesterday" is not grammatical.
Only, "I heard the guy named Hector was killed by a gangster yesterday", would be correct.

 

[bhaisahab]

"I heard the guy named Hector killed by a ganster yesterday" is not grammatical.
Only, "I heard the guy named Hector was killed by a gangster yesterday", would be correct.

It's possible if he heard, without seeing, the killing of Hector. It's pretty unlikely though.

 

[JohnParis]

It's possible if he heard, without seeing, the killing of Hector. It's pretty unlikely though.

I thought about that, but Ayssa said that the point was that "Hector was killed". Nevertheless, Bhaisahab is absolutely correct. If he were within earshot, he could say it.
Thanks for the correction, Bhaisahab