Have you ever heard of the news?

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1. Have you ever heard of the news?
2. Have you ever heard the news?

Some people say hear of means someone tells you something or you read something. And hear mean you see something.

However, what about the above two sentences? Should I use heard of or heard?
 

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1. Have you heard of Bob Black?

Do you know about that person?

2 Have you heard the news?

Do you know what's been happening? Do you have the latest information?
 

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1. Have you heard of Bob Black?

Do you know about that person?

2 Have you heard the news?

Do you know what's been happening? Do you have the latest information?
Do you mean "hear of + somebody" and "hear + thing(s)"?

Am I correct?
 

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To hear something is to gain knowledge of it.
To hear about something is to be aware of it, not necessarily in detail.
 

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1. Have you ever heard of the news?
2. Have you ever heard the news?

Some people say hear of means someone tells you something or you read something. And hear mean you see something.

However, what about the above two sentences? Should I use heard of or heard?
The first asks if you are aware of the type of media that is commonly referred to as "the news". It would be very odd for any human over the age of about 8 to not be aware that "the news" exists.

The second asks if you've ever listened to the news on the radio.

The word "ever" makes both sentences particularly baffling. Without that word, sentence 2 at least would be quite a likely utterance. It would be followed by either a rehash of a media report or some kind of surprising information.

Helen: Have you heard the news today?
Sam: Not today, no. I've been at work all day.
Helen: There's been a political coup in Lalaland.
Sam: Blimey! I'd better check none of my money's invested there. Thanks for the heads-up.

Jen: Have you heard the news?
Donna: What?
Jen: Sarah's pregnant!
Donna: Oh. I didn't know that.
 
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The first asks if you are aware of the type of media that is commonly referred to as "the news". It would be very odd for any human over the age of about 8 to not be aware that "the news" exists.

The second asks if you've ever listened to the news on the radio.

The word "ever" makes both sentences particularly baffling. Without that word, sentence 2 at least would be quite a likely utterance. It would be followed by either a rehash of a media report or some kind of surprising information.

Helen: Have you heard the news today?
Sam: Not today, no. I've been at work all day.
Helen: There's been a political coup in Lalaland.
Sam: Blimey! I'd better check none of my money's invested there. Thanks for the heads-up.

Jen: Have you heard the news?
Donna: What?
Jen: Sarah's pregnant!
Donna: Oh. I didn't know that.

OK. So could I use “Have you heard of the news” in the above conversation?
 
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Somehow I overlooked "ever" in the OP. In a way I'm glad I did, because that makes the sentences make less sense.
 
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