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[FONT=&#26032] Save vs Except

The following sentence is taken out from my legal papers.

Sub-paragraph (2) is denied, save it is admitted that the Defendant purchased the Property as a sole owner because the Plaintiff could not be the owner for the aforementioned reason.
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If I replace "save" to except", should it be OK?
[FONT=&#26032][/FONT][FONT=&#26032][/FONT]Lastly, I don't understand these law people who tend to not writing plain English even in the year of 2020.
Thank you for all teachers without any remuneration to assist me!

By the way, I might still not get the fonts right, but I have been trying. I am sorry for the trouble![FONT=&#26032][/FONT]
 

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Save vs Except

The following sentence is taken out from my legal papers.

Sub-paragraph (2) is denied, save [STRIKE]it is admitted [/STRIKE] for admitting that the Defendant purchased the Property as a sole owner because the Plaintiff could not be the owner for the aforementioned reason.

If I replace "save" to except", should it be OK? Yes
Lastly, I don't understand these law people who tend to not [STRIKE]writing[/STRIKE] write in plain English even in the year of 2020.
Thank you for all teachers without any remuneration to assist me!

By the way, I might still not [STRIKE]get [/STRIKE] have got the fonts right, but I have been trying. I am sorry for the trouble! You have got it right now.

The legal jargon is the phrasal verb "save for"and not just "save", which means "except (someone or something, a noun)".
 
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Yes, 3ebu, if you changed "save" to "except" the meaning would be unchanged. There are a number of reasons that lawyers tend to use technical language. They can be sumnarized in four words: tradition, precision, efficiency and laziness. For a person versed in legal jargon it is quicker and easier to use it. Writing something in so-called plain English without loss of clarity and precision is difficult and time-consuming.
 
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In this particular document, 'save' seems to mean 'unless'.
 

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Why do you want to change the wording? If you need clarification, can't you ask the lawyer?

If you're trying to improve your English, I think you should focus on more basic stuff. For instance:
If I replace "save" [STRIKE]to[/STRIKE] with "except",
 
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