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Rich though he is, he is not happy.
Hard though he studied, he didn't pass the exam.
Boy though he is, he is well-behaved.
These are fairly unnatural in modern English.
But I want to know how I could I use the same structure in "Though we lost the money, we got a lot of experience."
You can't.
 

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Though I don't like him, I have to work with him.

This sentence can't be changed into inversion structure, either. Is that correct?
 

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1. Heavily as it is raining, the football game has been decided not to be put off.

2. Raining hard as it is, I’m going out for a walk.

Which one is correct?
 

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@neb090 You still haven't convinced me that I should learn it. In fact, more the opposite is true.
 

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Sorry. I couldn't find the answer to my question on the website.
It's just one sentence ("There are other uses of inversion, but most of those result in a strained or literary effect"). Dr. Darling(*1) already stated "most of those result in a strained or literary effect," so he didn't bother to write them.

(*1) RIP
 

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@dunchee

I can find no reference on the page you linked us to to 'Dr Darling'.
 

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1. Heavily as it is raining, the football game has been decided not to be put off.

2. Raining hard as it is, I’m going out for a walk.

Which one is correct?
They're both wrong. I might use ...

1. Heavy though the rain is, the football game is going ahead.
(Note that "the game has decided not to be put off". That suggests that a football is capable of making decisions.)

2. Hard as the rain is, I'm going for a walk.
 

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They're both wrong. I might use ...

1. Heavy though the rain is, the football game is going ahead.
(Note that "the game has decided not to be put off". That suggests that a football is capable of making decisions.)

2. Hard as the rain is, I'm going for a walk.
But why could I say,

Fast though/as he runs, he can't keep up with his brother. (Why could I put the adverb fast in front of the sentence, but I couldn't put heavily in front of the raining sentence?)
 

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@neb090 Try:

He runs fast, but he can't keep up with his brother.

You still haven't convinced me.
 

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@neb090 Try:

He runs fast, but he can't keep up with his brother.

You still haven't convinced me.
If I just look at it from grammatical perspective, is it correct to say "Heavily raining though it is, they still go out to play?"
 

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If I just look at it from A grammatical perspective, is it correct to say "Heavily raining though it is, they still go out to play?"
I suppose you could say that, but why would you want to? Try: "Although it's raining hard, they're going outside to play."

You still haven't convinced me I should learn that.
 

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In a poem or song lyrics, possibly. Otherwise, no.
It is one the the grammar points that I learned in my English textbook.
I find that what non native speakers learned is not necessarily what native speakers speak or even write in daily life.

But our English textbooks are also edited by some native speakers. I wonder how they feel when they are editing these English textbooks.
 

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But our English textbooks are also edited by some native speakers. I wonder how they feel when they are editing these English textbooks.
I have done that in Germany and Estonia. Those were not the happiest times of my life.
 

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It is one of the the grammar points that I learned in my English textbook.
Please give us the title and author of that textbook. Don't provide that link all in Chinese like you did in post #9 and #14. Translate the title of the book into English and write the name of the author using standard Roman characters (not Chinese lettering).
 

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Please give us the title and author of that textbook. Don't provide that link all in Chinese like you did in post #9 and #14. Translate the title of the book into English and write the name of the author using standard Roman characters (not Chinese lettering).
Title: San Min English
Chief Editor: CHE,YUN-TING
Editors: 21 Chinese-speaking English teachers for senior high schools
Freelancers: Ian Fletcher, Theodore Pigott
 

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I have done that in Germany and Estonia. Those were not the happiest times of my life.
Do you mean you have to write or edit something that are unnatural for native speakers of English to cater to local student's needs?
 
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