# I love Mona, NOT SUE.

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• 28-Aug-2011, 18:49
Afit
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It is simply called a negative appositive
:-o

Never heard the term so far.

I love x, not Y.
I love X, [not Y]. :?:

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Can you, Afit, R-K?
I can't, but I keep trying. ;-)

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• 28-Aug-2011, 19:39
TheParser
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Originally Posted by Afit
:-o

Never heard the term so far.

I love x, not Y.
I love X, [not Y]. :?:

I can't, but I keep trying. ;-)

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(1) Thank you for your beautiful diagrams.

(2) I can hardly type these words let alone post a diagram.

(3) If we accept the idea of a negative appositive, then I believe that an appositive

(positive or negative) should be diagrammed with parentheses:

Usingenglish.com (a leading English helpline) / is/ famous.

(4) Now let's have a negative appositive such as:

California, not Texas, has the most people. / California has the most people, not Texas.

(a) I believe we would R-K it as:

California (Texas)/ has/ people.

(i) we would put "most" on a diagonal line under "people."
(ii) I always get confused where to put "the." Does it go on its own diagonal line under "people," or does it go on a bent line under "most"?
(iii) The million dollar question is: where does "not" go?
(a) I propose writing "not" on a short line above and to the left of "Texas," with a dotted line leading down and connecting to the horizontal line.

(5) Thanks to Mr. Antonson, usingenglish.com is the only English helpline that

offers a forum devoted to questions about Reed-Kellogg. I hope that he offers us

his "map" of the sentence.
• 28-Aug-2011, 22:59
Frank Antonson
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Somehow, Alfie, I KNEW that you could R-K ;-)))

Frank
• 30-Aug-2011, 14:58
Afit
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Originally Posted by Frank Antonson
Somehow, Alfie, I KNEW that you could R-K ;-)))

Frank

I have only vague ideas as to how I have managed to earn the benefit of the doubt with you. :up:
• 30-Aug-2011, 15:12
Afit
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Originally Posted by TheParser
California, not Texas, has the most people

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This you like? :?::up:
• 30-Aug-2011, 15:18
Afit
Re: I love Mona, NOT SUE.
California, and not Texas, has the most people.

Apposition is a grammatical construction in which two elements, normally noun phrases, are placed side by side, with one element serving to define or modify the other. When this device is used, the two elements are said to be in apposition.

This is obviously not the case with "California" and "not Texas".

What is your definition for an appositive, James?
• 30-Aug-2011, 16:15
TheParser
Re: I love Mona, NOT SUE.
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Originally Posted by Afit

Beautiful!!! I was thinking, though, that the line for "not" would be a horizontal

line above and to the left of the word in parentheses ("Texas").
• 30-Aug-2011, 16:21
TheParser
Re: I love Mona, NOT SUE.
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Originally Posted by Afit
California, and not Texas, has the most people.

Apposition is a grammatical construction in which two elements, normally noun phrases, are placed side by side, with one element serving to define or modify the other. When this device is used, the two elements are said to be in apposition.

This is obviously not the case with "California" and "not Texas".

What is your definition for an appositive, James?

Yes, I always thought that two noun elements had to be positive in order to qualify

for the term "appositive":

The United States, the most important country in the world, lies between two

oceans.

But as I explained, many grammarians accept the idea of negative appositives:

Family, not money, is the most important thing in life.

It seems a nifty way to diagram such sentences -- instead of dreaming up some

long ellipsis.
• 30-Aug-2011, 17:30
Afit
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Originally Posted by TheParser
Beautiful!!! I was thinking, though, that the line for "not" would be a horizontal

line above and to the left of the word in parentheses ("Texas").

"Not" belongs to "Texas"; that is why I branched it off the parenthesised part.

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Originally Posted by TheParser
But as I explained, many grammarians accept the idea of negative appositives.

I think we can call it what we want, as long as we understand to what "not" belongs and how "not Texas" is bound to the matrix clause.
What I am missing from grammarians is the provision of motivation for accepting their views.
• 30-Aug-2011, 17:32
Frank Antonson
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When I teach about appositives, I use the term "renames". It would probably be better to say "re-states".

"He was angry, furious" For me "furious" here is an appositive.

Incidentally, at the moment I am too lazy to find it, but in some Shakespearean play (I think that it is "Love's Labour's Lost" there is an absolutely ridiculous (spectacular) example of extended apposition. I think it is telling what love is, the appositives being predicate nominatives.
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