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Bernie Sanders (Sen. from Vermont) and the California Secretary of State (in 2006 election materiel) both use "good-paying jobs" which totally grated on my ear. Because you're modifying a verb, shouldn't the adverb "well" be used instead? "Well-paid" is standard usage, therefore why not "well-paying"?
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Bernie Sanders (Sen. from Vermont) and the California Secretary of State (in 2006 election materiel) both use "good-paying jobs" which totally grated on my ear. Because you're modifying a verb, shouldn't the adverb "well" be used instead? "Well-paid" is standard usage, therefore why not "well-paying"?
Good-paying is hyphenated (good-paying as if it was one word). So "good" doesn't refer to "paying" but to "job". Compare: good-natured man (you don't say well-natured). To me a "well paid" job need not be hyphenated because well refers to paid. I don't know whether the present participle "paying" is at work here.

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I have a different explanation for this, Jamshid. You may correct me if I'm wrong.

As long as well-paid modifies a noun, it is hyphenated. Just like in " a laid-back person", for instance.

'good-paid' or 'good-paying' must be usual errors of informal English vernacular. "good" modifies a verb, so it has to be an adverb - but 'good' is never an adverb, 'well' is.

Listen to this: 'How are you? - I'm feeling good' or 'I'm good, with or without you', 'It's a very good done job, I must say'. I cringe whenever I hear 'good' used as an adverb. I often heard such phrases while in Virginia. Spoken E is relaxed, free from boundaries and constraints. In writing, however, there are rules - "well" is the adverb, and should replace "good" in the aforementioned expressions.

Was my explanation well? Or good? (just kidding)

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Has it been unwell?
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I have to agree with Bianca that ‘I'm feeling goodor 'It's a very good done job’ is bad English. However, I don’t see anything wrong with ‘I'm good’ since ‘good’ here modifies ‘I’ as an adjective. Cf. I’m happy; I’m fine.

I am also inclined to agree ‘good’ in ‘good-paying jobs’ modifies ‘paying’ which in turn modifies the noun ‘jobs’. ‘Paying’ is therefore an adjective and ‘good’ functions as an adverb and hence it should grammatically be ‘well’.

Some examples: Well-made car; well-run engine; well-priced item; widely-read book (not*wide-read book); hugely-taxing job (not *huge-taxing job).
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However, I don’t see anything wrong with ‘I'm good’ since ‘good’ here modifies ‘I’ as an adjective. Cf. I’m happy; I’m fine.
No, I am sorry but good doesn't modify "I". It links the adjective with the subject. "Be" is a link(ing) verb (copula) that's why it takes an adjective.

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I agree. 'I'm good' is an ellipsis for 'I'm feeling good', and good modifies the verb 'feeling' (which in the first sentence is 'invisible' but implied). I'm well, I'm fine, I'm OK...

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No, I am sorry but good doesn't modify "I". It links the adjective with the subject. "Be" is a link(ing) verb (copula) that's why it takes an adjective.

I can’t agree more! I guess I used the term ‘modify’ loosely. But the adjective ‘Good’ does describe or identify the subject. In your word, "It links the adjective with the subject."
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