the word excursion

[light87]

Hi all teachers.
In the word excursion, his IPA is ɪkˈskɜː.ʃ [FONT=&quot]ə [/FONT]n .
I've found the sound ʃ in ship [FONT=&quot]ʃɪp.
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]I want to know I heard z in excursion (I've Cambridge dictionary software).
Thank you.[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
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[Raymott]

Hi all teachers.
In the word excursion, his IPA is ɪkˈskɜː.ʃ ə n .
I've found the sound ʃ in ship ʃɪp.
I want to know I heard z in excursion (I've Cambridge dictionary software).
Thank you.

Do you have a question? There is no /z/ in 'excursion', unless you pronounce it /ɪgˈzkɜː.ʃən / or /egˈzkɜː.ʃən/, as some people do.

 

[light87]

Hi teachers.
I've heard z in sion (I've Cambridge dictionary software).
Thank you.

 

[raindoctor]

What you heard is not /z/, but a similar sound: /ʒ/, which is a voiced counterpart of /ʃ/.

 

[light87]

Hi all teachers,thank you for your help.
Please why it don't write in IPA with /ʃ/,and what is the meaning of a voiced counterpart .
Thank you.

 

[JohnAnderson]

In North America we pronounce it /əkˈskə˞ʒən/

/ʒ/ is identical to /ʃ/ except that it is voiced. Just like /z/ is identical to /s/ except that it is voiced.

 

[light87]

Hi all teachers.
Thank you for your help.
"/ʒ/ is identical to /ʃ/",ok for this but why in IPA they don't use /ʒ/?.
for me the of IPA is know how to pronounce correctly
Thank you.

 

[Raymott]

Hi all teachers.
Thank you for your help.
"/ʒ/ is identical to /ʃ/",ok for this but why in IPA they don't use /ʒ/?.
for me the of IPA is know how to pronounce correctly
Thank you.

If you are asking why a certain dictionary writes /ʃ/ but has a sound file that says /ʒ/, then it's probably because different people do the voice recordings and the IPA transcription. That doesn't excuse it, but it could explain it.

 

[light87]

Hi all teachers ,thank you for your help,so what is the rule to know that you must pronounce /ʒ instead of /ʃ/.

Thank you

 

[Raymott]

Hi all teachers ,thank you for your help,so what is the rule to know that you must pronounce /ʒ instead of /ʃ/.

Thank you

There's no rule. If you're American, as JohnAnderson says, you use /ʒ/. If you're a non-American native English speaker you use /ʃ/. If you are neither, you get a choice.

 

[raindoctor]

Hi all teachers ,thank you for your help,so what is the rule to know that you must pronounce /ʒ instead of /ʃ/.

Thank you

Since you are a computer science masters, you can use these sites to devise patterns of pronunciations. It requires a bit of regular expressions.

OneLook Dictionary Search
Regex Dictionary by Lou Hevly

Read help on those sites for how to do searches.

-rsion /ʒ/
-lsion /ʃ/
-nsion /ʃ/
-Vsion /ʒ/, where V is a vowel
-ssion /ʃ/

 

[light87]

Hi all teachers thank you for your help.
Please you said "where V is a vowel",but I know that v is consonant.
Can you give an example of that.
Thank you

 

[JohnAnderson]

There's no rule. If you're American, as JohnAnderson says, you use /ʒ/. If you're a non-American native English speaker you use /ʃ/. If you are neither, you get a choice.

...with the word excursion.

 

[raindoctor]

Hi all teachers thank you for your help.
Please you said "where V is a vowel",but I know that v is consonant.
Can you give an example of that.
Thank you

You know, man, you are testing peoples' patience here. Why you want to learn pronunciation, phonetics, and phonology, when you better focus on how to read and write English.

-Vsion = -ision, -esion, -asion, -osion, -usion

That's way of representing things in simple way by saying "where V is a vowel".

 

[birdeen's call]

You know, man, you are testing people's patience here. Why do you want to learn pronunciation, phonetics, and phonology, when you'd better focus on how to read and write English?

-Vsion = -ision, -esion, -asion, -osion, -usion

That's one way of representing things in a simple way by saying "where V is a vowel".

Please see my corrections above.

I really don't see why light87 shouldn't study pronunciation, phonetics or phonology. It seems a fine thing to do.

 

[BobK]

If you are asking why a certain dictionary writes /ʃ/ but has a sound file that says /ʒ/, then it's probably because different people do the voice recordings and the IPA transcription. That doesn't excuse it, but it could explain it.

I've found similar differences between transcription and sound file - too may to count. In this case, /ʒ/ is the phoneme regularly used in Am Eng, but it is also used by some native speakers of Br Eng. 'Excursion'. in RP has /ʃ/.

But some words do have /ʒ/ - elision, circumcision, television, lesion, cohesion, erosion... I'll try to work out the pattern (unless someone else has done already ;-))

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[raindoctor]

Please see my corrections above.

I really don't see why light87 shouldn't study pronunciation, phonetics or phonology. It seems a fine thing to do.

Thanks for you corrections! Look at 'is question: "

where V is a vowel",but I know that v is consonant.". ​