Using "and" to join two negative verb phrases.

[kachibi]

So, in a nutshell, my sentence is not an ideal one because it is ambiguous. However, it is not totally wrong/ ungrammatical as long as the listener understands the context. However, for the sake of clarity/ generality, I'd better give up using the original sentence to express what I intend to mean. Am I right?

 

[5jj]

So, in a nutshell, my sentence is not an ideal one because it is ambiguous. However, it is not totally wrong/ ungrammatical as long as the listener understands the context. However, for the sake of clarity/ generality, I'd better give up using the original sentence to express what I intend to mean. Am I right?

In a nutshell: No. It is wrong.

Raymott: "I have not done X and Y" is wrong
bhaisahab: It's not correct
BobSmith: You won't get anyone to ever say your construction is correct (and, indeed, it is not).
5jj: It is simply not the way English works.

Are you slowly getting the message?

 

[kachibi]

Then why Bobsmith said the following? Didn't he want to say that the context can make the sentence understandable?


I can tell you that if you said that TO ME, I wouldn't think twice about it and would know what you intended.

Now, I can think of one case where, TO ME, it would be correct:

Teacher: For full credit you have to revise your exam and turn in your homework. Have you?
Student: Have I what?
Teacher: Have you revised your exam and turned in your homework?!
Student: I'm sorry, I have not revised my exam and turned in my homework.

And I'm sure I'm the only one here that will think this is acceptable. I think your question is a great one

 

[5jj]

:sleeping:

 

[kachibi]

what does the icon stand for?

 

[BobSmith]

kachibi, I need to apologize My post was misleading at best and simply wrong at worst. Please disregard it. You should be careful to note who here are proper teachers, and who are just giving examples based on experience.

 

[kachibi]

kachibi, I need to apologize My post was misleading at best and simply wrong at worst. Please disregard it. You should be careful to note who here are proper teachers, and who are just giving examples based on experience.

Ok, fine! Thanks for all your posts. Now I understand why my sentence is wrong.

However, I am interested in your use of xxx at best and xxx at worst. How can it be used actually?

 

[5jj]

My post was misleading at best and simply wrong at worst.

I disagree.

You made things clear in post #14, “You won't get anyone to ever say your construction is correct (and, indeed, it is not)”. and in post #20, “I want to be clear that I'm not saying that this construction is correct. I'm just saying that I would understand what you meant, and I've heard people use it." When you gave the example that you considered correct, you stressed, “Now, I can think of one case where, TO ME, it would be correct”, and concluded with the words, “And I'm sure I'm the only one here that will think this is acceptable”. You were not at all misleading.

I am fairly sure that you will hear the type of example you gave in speech, where timing and stress can make the intended meaning clear. It is not ‘correct’ in that it does not follow the standard accepted pattern, and could be confusing in writing, but you were right to point out that learners may hear it, in my opinion.

 

[kachibi]

Okay!
I have got all your points.
Thanks again!

 

[aysaa]

Now, I can think of one case where, TO ME, it would be correct:

Teacher: For full credit you have to revise your exam and turn in your homework. Have you?
Student: Have I what?
Teacher: Have you revised your exam and turned in your homework?!
Student: I'm sorry, I have not revised my exam and turned in my homework.

*NOT A TEACHER*

I think you want to say like that:

Teacher: For full credit you have to revise your exam and turn in your homework. Have you?
Student: Have I what?
Teacher: Have you revised your exam and turned in your homework?!
Student: I'm sorry, I have not revised my exam and (I) have not turned in my homework

As for me, it is the correct one.

 

[5jj]

he point BobSmith was making was simply that you may hear the form he presnted.