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The usual verb that can be used to refer to both past and present situations in the subjunctive mood for the protasis is be:
1. If I were you, I would not do so now.
2. If I were you, I would not have done it at that time.
were can be replaced by had been, but there's no need.
The following is the usual form of a counter-factual:
If you had asked me, I would have told you.
But usually the context will make things clear, and very often the apodosis is the result of, or the thing that happens/ed after the event described in, the protasis, so the order of events is known, just as in the first two example sentences we use the apodosis to determine the time of being you in the protasis; for the above sentence, had asked can be reduced to asked, without ambiguity.
Here comes the question:
If he had known/knew this, he would have been very sad.
My opinion is, one option must not be replaced by the other, because it would fundamentally change the meaning: if had known is used, it's a counter-factual conditional, and the act of knowing the thing did not happen, the apodosis consequently being non-existent in the past; if knew is used, it means if he knew this now (=in fact, he doesn't, and, by inference, didn't), and that is using the present situation to infer what must have happened in the past, and in this case the status of being sad, which might have happened, did not come to pass. But I won't swear to it; what do teachers here think?
1. If I were you, I would not do so now.
2. If I were you, I would not have done it at that time.
were can be replaced by had been, but there's no need.
The following is the usual form of a counter-factual:
If you had asked me, I would have told you.
But usually the context will make things clear, and very often the apodosis is the result of, or the thing that happens/ed after the event described in, the protasis, so the order of events is known, just as in the first two example sentences we use the apodosis to determine the time of being you in the protasis; for the above sentence, had asked can be reduced to asked, without ambiguity.
Here comes the question:
If he had known/knew this, he would have been very sad.
My opinion is, one option must not be replaced by the other, because it would fundamentally change the meaning: if had known is used, it's a counter-factual conditional, and the act of knowing the thing did not happen, the apodosis consequently being non-existent in the past; if knew is used, it means if he knew this now (=in fact, he doesn't, and, by inference, didn't), and that is using the present situation to infer what must have happened in the past, and in this case the status of being sad, which might have happened, did not come to pass. But I won't swear to it; what do teachers here think?