The AmE pronunciation does sound like that (though there is no following /ə/); the BrE version does not.
After listening to that, I thought that this might be a feature of AmE. However, I listened to the BrE and AmE pronunciations of thrive, jive, alive, drive and hive; I noticed it only in the BrE versions of jive and hive and tth AmE version of drive. It seems to depend on the individual speaker.
I wrote “they”, which means both the AmE and the BrE records sound like /laivf/, which are obviously devoiced as in many other words.
Even the same speaker may switch them freely.
This post-release feature of stops is generally known as aspiration. It is not associated with fricatives such as /f/ and /v/
Some of them do not sound (to me) released while some do.
It's reasonable that fricatives are clear enough even without audible release.
Where this devoicng occurs, it will be noted in a narrow phonetic transcription of an individual's speech, but is not appropriate in in phonemic transcription (between two slashes, /.../).
I didn't even tried to use IPA, except ə, because anhnha had used it.
So the ə in my previous posts refers to the ə-like sound that anhnha heard. It may be easier for him to understand.
I didn't quote them with “/ /” or “[ ]”
And I have never said something like “the ə is a second syllable” or “live” may be pronounced as “fivuh/fiver” with two syllable.
I said,
yangmuye said:
Five = fīv. When the t is audibly released, it sounds like there is an very short ə, that is, 'fīv-və.
It seems to me that, voiced consonants tend to be partially devoiced(/voicelessly released) at final positions. Five may sound like 'fīv-fə. The ə in fə is voiceless, but audible.
If you think it's too misleading, let me state it again clearly:
It is not the /ə/ as in “about”, it is the release of consonant.
I'm not going to continue the argument any more.
You are absolutely right that there is no extra syllable and no one is against you.
The questions is, why would anhnha feel like that. Where does the mysterious ə(anhnha heard) come from.
anhnha said:
The ə in fə is voiceless, but audibleCould you give a more detailed explaination about this?
For example, /h/ is voiceless, but we can hear it, so it's audible.
An isolated /p/ is voiceless, and must be released to be audible, so it sounds like /pə//tə//kə/(the ə is extremely short and voiceless) or /ph//th//kh/.
If you
feel you heard a /və/ in words like “five”, “live”, etc, it's audible.
If you
feel you heard whispering /pə//tə//kə/ or /ph//th//kh/ in words like “it”, “sick”, “jump”, etc, they are voiceless, but audible.
If you
feel what you heard has an extra syllable, the final consonant is released and audible.