2,573,864 is three orders of magnitude greater than 3,745.

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Does the following sentence sound perfectly natural to you?

★ 2,573,864 is three orders of magnitude greater than 3,745.


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The question above popped into my mind just after I had read the following definition:

order of magnitude

1 if something is an order of magnitude greater or smaller than something else, it is ten times greater or smaller in size or amount


https://www.ldoceonline.com/dictionary/order-of-magnitude

As this definition indicates, we can say "7,000 is two orders of magnitude greater than 70". But what about sentences like ? The definition seems to me too narrow in scope.

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By the way, I've tried generalizing Longman's definition so that we can accept as a mathematically correct statement:

Proposition For any real number X > 0, there exist a unique integer N and a unique real number A with 1 ≤ A < 10 such that X = A×(10^N).

Notation For any real number X > 0, we denote by ord(X) the unique integer N
as appeared in the previous proposition. (I'm not sure if the use of as is correct or not.)

Definition Let X and Y be positive real numbers and n an integer. By definition, Y is n orders of magnitude greater than X if and only if n = ord(Y)−ord(X).



 
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The sentence sounds perfectly natural to me. Its meaning is slso mathematically correct.
 

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The sentence sounds perfectly natural to me.
Thank you very much, probus.

I knew is OK in British English, but didn't know whether it is natural in North American English. Now I can feel assured it is. :-D

By the way, it appears that the following version is possible in British English:

2,573,864 is three orders of magnitude higher than 3,745.
 
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I think higher works as well as greater.
 

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They do both work in BrE.
 

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If 7,000 is two orders of magnitude greater than 70, how come 2,573,864 is three orders of magnitude greater than 3,745?

I make 3,745,000
to be three orders of magnitude greater than 3,745.

(I reckon I'm going to be sorry I asked.)




 

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If 7,000 is two orders of magnitude greater than 70, how come 2,573,864 is three orders of magnitude greater than 3,745?
Yes, I'd posit that 2,573,864 is actually 2.8371 orders of magnitude greater than 3,745.
 
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If 7,000 is two orders of magnitude greater than 70, how come 2,573,864 is three orders of magnitude greater than 3,745?

I make 3,745,000
to be three orders of magnitude greater than 3,745.

(I reckon I'm going to be sorry I asked.)

Yes, I'd posit that 2,573,864 is actually 2.8371 orders of magnitude greater than 3,745.
You're both wrong, I'm afraid, along with Longman's definition. You can determine the difference between two numbers' order of magnitude by expressing both in scientific notation and computing the absolute value of the difference in their exponents. The numbers in question are

2.573864 x 10[SUP]6[/SUP] and 3.745 x 10[SUP]3[/SUP].

The difference is 3. (I put the numbers on their own line because the exponents didn't display clearly without the white space.)


Orders of magnitude are important in science and engineering. They give a rough guide to expected results where precise results aren't important.
 
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(I reckon I'm going to be sorry I asked.)

I knew it!




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Definition Let X and Y be positive real numbers and n an integer. By definition, Y is n orders of magnitude greater than X if and only if n = ord(Y)−ord(X).

I don't think this is an appropriate word to use in a mathematical definition, which needs precision. You should write it in mathematical notation.

Orders of magnitude are used to roughly express comparisons in size between different things.
 

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If 7,000 is two orders of magnitude greater than 70, how come 2,573,864 is three orders of magnitude greater than 3,745?

The numbers in question are

2.573864 x 10[SUP]7[/SUP] and 3.745 x 10[SUP]4[/SUP].
The numbers in question are

2.573864 x 10
[SUP]6[/SUP] and 3.745 x 10[SUP]3[/SUP].​

63=3

2,573,864 is 3 orders of magnitude greater than 3,745.
 

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I got it by calculating n = (log10 x) - (log10 y), where x>y. I figured that 7000 is 3 orders of magnitude greater than 7, because 7 x 10^3 = 7000.
 

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I got it by calculating n = (log10 x) - (log10 y), where x>y. I figured that 7000 is 3 orders of magnitude greater than 7, because 7 x 10^3 = 7000.

My thoughts exactly. :shocked!::shocked!:
 
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