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    Is this sentence wrong? "since Windows just copied the Mac, it's likely that no..."

    Is this sentence with bold words wrong or ambiguous?---
    "If I had never dropped in on that single course in college, the Mac would have never had multiple typefaces or proportionally spaced fonts. And since Windows just copied the Mac, it's likely that no personal computer would have them."

    I guess here what Steve Jobs wanted to say should be:"If I had never dropped in on that single course in college, no personal computer would have them (the multiple typefaces or proportionally spaced fonts). But Windows copied the Mac, which made this likely."
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    Re: Is this sentence wrong? "since Windows just copied the Mac, it's likely that no..

    Quote Originally Posted by registered View Post
    Is this sentence with bold words wrong or ambiguous?---
    "If I had never dropped in on that single course in college, the Mac would have never had multiple typefaces or proportionally spaced fonts. And since Windows just copied the Mac, it's likely that no personal computer would have them."

    I guess here what Steve Jobs wanted to say should be:"If I had never dropped in on that single course in college, not personal computer would have them (the multiple typefaces or proportionally spaced fonts). But Windows copied the Mac, which made this likely."
    The original sentence is correct and unambiguous. You revision is incorrect. Your "not" must be "no".

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    Re: Is this sentence wrong? "since Windows just copied the Mac, it's likely that no..

    Quote Originally Posted by MikeNewYork View Post
    The original sentence is correct and unambiguous. You revision is incorrect. Your "not" must be "no".
    Sorry, it's a slip of the pen, but I'm still not entirely clear about the sentence in bold.

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    Re: Is this sentence wrong? "since Windows just copied the Mac, it's likely that no..

    If Apple had not introduced these features, no personal computer would have them because Windows didn't think of them - they just copied Apple - so they wouldn't have had the idea.
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    Re: Is this sentence wrong? "since Windows just copied the Mac, it's likely that no..

    Quote Originally Posted by Tdol View Post
    If Apple had not introduced these features, no personal computer would have them because Windows didn't think of them - they just copied Apple - so they wouldn't have had the idea.
    But here "since" means because. (I don't think it means "from some moment" here.)
    why not use "If Windows didn't copy the Mac, it's likely no personal computers would have them."

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    Re: Is this sentence wrong? "since Windows just copied the Mac, it's likely that no..

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    But here "since" means because. (I don't think it means "from some moment" here.)
    why not use "If Windows didn't copy the Mac, it's likely no personal computers would have them."
    Cause there is no question of "if." (At least in Jobs' mind.) Windows copied the Mac. Not "if Windows copied the Mac."
    Last edited by emsr2d2; 05-Dec-2013 at 20:44. Reason: tiny typo

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    Re: Is this sentence wrong? "since Windows just copied the Mac, it's likely that no..

    Macs had the fonts.
    Because Windows copied the Mac, PCs have the fonts too.

    Because Windows copied the Mac, IF Mac had not had the fonts, then Windows would not have had them either (there would have been no fonts to copy). Therefore, no computers would have had them.

    Jobs assumed that one one else could possbily have throught up this idea aside from him.
    Last edited by 5jj; 04-Mar-2014 at 16:41. Reason: typo
    I'm not a teacher, but I write for a living. Please don't ask me about 2nd conditionals, but I'm a safe bet for what reads well in (American) English.

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    Re: Is this sentence wrong? "since Windows just copied the Mac, it's likely that no..

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    But here "since" means because. (I don't think it means "from some moment" here.)
    why not use "If Windows didn't copy the Mac, it's likely no personal computers would have them."
    Because we're talking about imaginary past events, so we have to use the third conditional.

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    Re: Is this sentence wrong? "since Windows just copied the Mac, it's likely that no..

    I still think there is something wrong in this sentence. Shouldn't it be:
    Since (= because) Windows just copied the Mac, personal computer have them now.
    or
    If Windows had not copied the Mac, it's likely that no personal computer would have them.
    ???

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    Re: Is this sentence wrong? "since Windows just copied the Mac, it's likely that no..

    There is nothing wrong in the original sentence.
    Your sentences are also correct.
    I'm not a teacher, but I write for a living. Please don't ask me about 2nd conditionals, but I'm a safe bet for what reads well in (American) English.

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