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    Hi. You do not usually put "the" before position names such as "President Serzh Sargsyan sent a congratulatory message to Narendra Modi on assuming office as Prime Minister of India" or "the president congratulated Vladimir Putin on being elected as President of Russia." Likewise, you say "Head of Finance Department" but "the Minister of Foreign Affairs." Is there any rule here?
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    We don't use the when we include the name of holder of the office: President Putin (title + name).

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    I know what you are talking about my friend, but unfortunately, your answer is not close to the point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mher View Post
    I know what you are talking about my friend, but unfortunately, your answer is not close to the point.
    Hello, Mher.

    I find Tdol's comment brief and to the point.


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    Quote Originally Posted by tzfujimino View Post
    Hello, Mher.

    I find Tdol's comment brief and to the point.

    You had better help me with my question.

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    Had better? I don't think so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mher View Post
    You had better help me with my question.
    I'm going to assume that it's limited English that led to your writing this.

    This is a threat. It suggests that failure to help will result in a negative consequence.

    None of us like to be ordered to answer people's questions, which is why questions with things like "Your help is expected!" often go unanswered. We like being threatened even less.

    I was unable to understand your use of ( ) and ___ in your original question.
    I'm not a teacher, but I write for a living. Please don't ask me about 2nd conditionals, but I'm a safe bet for what reads well in (American) English.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barb_D View Post
    I'm going to assume that it's limited English that led to your writing this.

    This is a threat. It suggests that failure to help will result in a negative consequence.

    None of us like to be ordered to answer people's questions, which is why questions with things like "Your help is expected!" often go unanswered. We like being threatened even less.

    I was unable to understand your use of ( ) and ___ in your original question.
    Your assumption about my last sentence is right; I misused that expression. I am not a terrorist and of course, I did not mean to threaten anybody (in fact I could not even if I wanted to). So take it easy people.
    I have already edited my original question and I hope you will finally understand what I am talking about.

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    If you're talking about the office, not the person, you can omit the article. Being President of the United States must be stressful.

    If you're talking about the person, but not using the person's name, use the article. The Minister of Finance will be present. The mayor of the city gave us the key to the city.

    If you're using the office as a title, omit the article. Governor Jim Smith.

    These are VERY general rules, but they can get you started.
    Last edited by Rover_KE; 03-Jun-2014 at 18:55.
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    Nice work. Thank you.
    Thus, can I say "President Vladimir Putin received President of Armenia Serzh Sargsyan' or "First Lady of the United States Michelle Obama held a meeting with Head of the Elton John Foundation blablabla" or "Chairman of the Hayastan Fund Billy Bobson" and so on?

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