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    (within) 1 hour drive

    Dear guests,

    1) Pushkin is 1 hour drive from St. Petersburg

    2) Pushkin is within 1 hour drive from St. Petersburg

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    3) The Peter and Paul Fortress is 30 minute walk from the Hermitage

    4) The Peter and Paul Fortress is within 30 minute walk from the Hermitage

    Are all these sentences possible? What does "within" add to them?

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    #2

    Re: (within) 1 hour drive

    For the first sentence say:

    Pushkin is a one hour drive from St. Petersburg.

    I am not used to the usage for the second sentence. Instead, I would say:

    Pushkin is less than an hour from St. Petersburg.

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    #3

    Re: (within) 1 hour drive

    For sentence three, say:

    The Peter and Paul Fortress is a 30 minute walk from the Hermitage.

    For sentence four, say:

    The Peter and Paul Fortress is less than a 30 minute walk from the Hermitage.

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    #4

    Re: (within) 1 hour drive

    1. Pushkin is an hour's drive from St Petersburg.
    2. Pushkin is no more than an hour's drive from St Petersburg.
    3. The Peter and Paul fortress is a 30-minute walk from the Hermitage.
    4. The Peter and Paul fortress is no more than a 30-minute walk from the Hermitage.

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    Re: (within) 1 hour drive

    Quote Originally Posted by milan2003_07 View Post
    What does "within" add to them?
    Anything that takes less than 30 minutes to walk to is within a 30 minute walk. Something that takes 20 minutes to walk to is within a 30 minute walk.

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    Re: (within) 1 hour drive

    Quote Originally Posted by Tarheel View Post
    Pushkin is a one hour drive from St. Petersburg.
    I would add a hyphen:

    Pushkin is a one-hour drive from St. Petersburg.
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    Re: (within) 1 hour drive

    I always consider 'a 30-minute walk' to be absolutely useless as any sort of helpful information.*

    There's an enormous difference between the distance that can be walked in 30 minutes by a short, arthritic, asthmatic 78-year-old like me, and a tall, fit young athlete like Andy Murray.

    Just tell me how far it is and whether it's uphill, downhill or on the level, and I'll be the judge of how long it will take me to walk it.

    * Edit: It's only useful to those who know for a fact that they couldn't walk for 30 minutes if their lives depended on it.
    Last edited by Rover_KE; 14-Jul-2016 at 08:57.

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    Re: (within) 1 hour drive

    While I can sympathize with Rover, my assumption is that when somebody makes a comment like that, they're giving an average, or an estimate that anybody could do it in - sort of a worst-case scenario time-wise. Or at least they should be.

    Fast walkers will do it in less, but anybody short of a one legged drunkard on crutches will be able to do it in the target time.

    At least that's true for my time estimates - they're given at a leisurely stroll for me, which is probably twice as long as a determined walker needs. If I'm walking someplace, then that's a sign I've pretty much given up on schedules anyway.
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    Re: (within) 1 hour drive

    These terms are very often used in tourist brochures. It's difficult to know what they can replace it with. "It's only 2 km away." What, across a river with no bridge? "No, a 2 km walk." Over the alps?

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    Re: (within) 1 hour drive

    I was suggesting to milan2003, who has not yet acknowledged any replies, that we need to know how far it is from A to B.

    He/she did not mention the distance to be walked.

    The 'one-hour drive' is acceptable; we assume normal traffic conditions and observing local speed limits.

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