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    He was lying, not waiting for the twilight but just keeping quiet until it should

    He was lying, not waiting for the twilight but just keeping quiet until it should come.
    He was lying, not waiting for the twilight but just keeping quiet for it to come.
    He was lying, not waiting for the twilight but just keeping quiet until it came.
    What is the difference in meaning between these three sentences? As for the third one, it is obvious: he was lying quiet until the twilight actually came. But is there any between the first and the second, the subjunctive and the infinitive?

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    Re: He was lying, not waiting for the twilight but just keeping quiet until it should

    Who wrote those sentences? Where was he lying?
    I don't think #1 is correct.
    I am not a teacher or a native speaker.

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    Re: He was lying, not waiting for the twilight but just keeping quiet until it should

    It is correct.

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    Re: He was lying, not waiting for the twilight but just keeping quiet until it should

    The 'correct' sentence is the first one because that's the one you took from somewhere. Please tell us where. Thanks.

    Generally speaking, it's not a good idea to make up sentences and then ask us what they mean. It will be more productive to focus only on sentences you find, and ask about those.

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    Re: He was lying, not waiting for the twilight but just keeping quiet until it should

    Quote Originally Posted by jutfrank View Post
    The 'correct' sentence is the first one because that's the one you took from somewhere. Please tell us where. Thanks.

    Generally speaking, it's not a good idea to make up sentences and then ask us what they mean. It will be more productive to focus only on sentences you find, and ask about those.
    Now he only could lie as he was, breathing slowly, almost ready to fall asleep again, paralyzed in the airless room, not waiting for twilight but staying as he was until it should come.

    Paul Bowles, The Sheltering Sky
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    Re: He was lying, not waiting for the twilight but just keeping quiet until it should

    Quote Originally Posted by constantinusphilo View Post
    It is correct.
    No, it's not correct.

    If he was lying, he wasn't telling the truth. That's not what Bowles said.

    Bowles meant he was lying down.
    I'm not a teacher. I speak American English. I've tutored writing at the University of Southern Maine and have done a good deal of copy editing and writing, occasionally for publication.

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    Re: He was lying, not waiting for the twilight but just keeping quiet until it should

    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie Bernstein View Post
    No, it's not correct.

    If he was lying, he wasn't telling the truth. That's not what Bowles said.

    Bowles meant he was lying down.
    Thank you, my question was about 'should come' however.

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    Re: He was lying, not waiting for the twilight but just keeping quiet until it should

    Quote Originally Posted by constantinusphilo View Post
    Thank you, my question was about 'should come' however.
    Yes, I know. That was clear.

    But that doesn't mean you don't want to know about other mistakes, right? Of course you do.

    (And I'm not lying!)
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    Re: He was lying, not waiting for the twilight but just keeping quiet until it should

    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie Bernstein View Post
    No, it's not correct.

    If he was lying, he wasn't telling the truth. That's not what Bowles said.

    Bowles meant he was lying down.
    To lie is a stative verb and this is what is meant here, to lie down is an action verb and it does not fit the context.

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    Re: He was lying, not waiting for the twilight but just keeping quiet until it should

    Right. There was no implication in any post in this thread that "lying" meant "telling untruths" in any of the sample sentences.
    I am not a teacher.

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