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That guy doesn't have both oars in the water. He says he has a list of five things (cars) and starts with number ten. At the very beginning he mentions an unfortunate event, but he hasn't bothered to describe the unfortunate event.

As for your sentence, well I never got that far. If the brakes are not good and the steering isn't either that's not a car you should buy.

Are you paying attention?

That guy must write for free, because nobody in his right mind would pay him.
 

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If the brakes are not good and the steering isn't either that's not a car you should buy.
@GoldfishLord That's the way the sentence should be written.

That's what I meant when I said "Are you paying attention?" I wanted you to notice that.
 

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Yes. And I'd also like to know the literal meaning of "The brakes are not good, as is the steering.".
 

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@GoldfishLord As I have tried to explain, that's not a phrase you should learn.

There is no literal meaning to phrases people don't use.
 

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And I'd also like to know the literal meaning of "The brakes are not good, as is the steering.".
He's trying to say the steering is in the same condition as the brakes -- not good.
 

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He's trying to say the steering is in the same condition as the brakes -- not good.
Indisputably. But I would hope that no ESL learners follow that example.
 

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Yes. And I'd also like to know the literal meaning of "The brakes are not good, as is the steering.".
No. Don't use "as is" (or "as" + different verb) if the first clause contains a negative such as "not" or "no". It works only with positive statements.

The brakes are good, as is the steering.
Her hair is brown, as are her eyes.
My dog is from Sweden, as are my cats.
I have a lot of money, as do my brothers.

The brakes are not good; nor is the steering.
Her hair isn't brown and nor are her eyes.
My dog isn't from Sweden; nor are my cats.
I don't have a lot of money and nor do my brothers.

The original example is ungrammatical.
 

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He says he has a list of five things (cars) and starts with number ten. At the very beginning he mentions an unfortunate event, but he hasn't bothered to describe the unfortunate event.

He doesn't phrase it well, but it's a list of five cars you shouldn't buy, and five he'd gladly blow his life savings on. He lists them in bad/good pairs, confusingly giving each bad car a even number and good car an odd number.

I don't think he's a native speaker. His biography has some errors with article usage, and some of his other articles don't quite get idioms or expressions correct. For instance, he claims that one car "drinks gas" - while that's understandable, we'd normally call it a 'gas guzzler' or that it 'guzzles gas'. There's a Twitter account with the same profile pic that suggests he's Turkish.

The magazine is owned by a French Canadian Company out of Quebec which states that their contributors come from all over the world. While yes, you'd still want your contributors to write clearly in your language of publication, it's as much the editor's fault as the author's. They should be catching the mistakes their authors make before publication.
 

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Confusing is right. I can't remember the exact phrasing anymore, so I'll just say I thought the good cars and the bad cars were the same cars. ("If they're so bad why would you spend your life savings on them?" is something that occurred to me.)

I saw something similar on Facebook just a couple of minutes ago. Science Sensei promised an article about strange animals, which is fine, but the writing ranges from passable to awful.
 

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No. Don't use "as is" (or "as" + different verb) if the first clause contains a negative such as "not" or "no". It works only with positive statements.

The brakes are good, as is the steering.
Her hair is brown, as are her eyes.
My dog is from Sweden, as are my cats.
I have a lot of money, as do my brothers.

The brakes are not good; nor is the steering.
Her hair isn't brown and nor are her eyes.
My dog isn't from Sweden; nor are my cats.
I don't have a lot of money and nor do my brothers.

The original example is ungrammatical.
1. The brakes are not good, as is the steering.
2. There is no centralized authority in pentecostalism, as there is in Roman Catholicism.

Sentences 1 and 2 have similar constructions.
What's the reason why sentence 2 works even though sentence 1 doesn't work?
 

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Sentence #2 has a different construction.

#1 is A is not X, as is B.
#2 is There is no X in Y as there is (X) in B.

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