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Throughout its history of development, English has come into contact with other languages, affecting and being affected by them.
Discuss the factors that influenced the development and progression of English in the British Isles leading to the adoption of one standardised dialect, and then in the colonies leading to the emergence of new forms of English (Block theme: History of development of the English Language).

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Throughout its history of development, English has come into contact with other languages, affecting and being affected by them.
That is true, the most significant development being the Norman Invasion in 1066. (English is a Germanic language, but the majority of its vocabulary is French.)

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The premise is right; there have been many linguistic influences on the English language, and one of the major ones was certainly the Norman invasion. Equally important were the Roman period which will have given a huge latin injection, and the colonisation by the Danish and other Scandinavian Vikings, which also left its' mark on northern and Eastern dialects especially, where the concentration of Danes was highest. The language has also taken onboard many words and phrases from our former colonies, and more recently, American and Australian English have crept in because of the plethora of television programs from across the Atlantic and from our Antipodean cousins.

In some cultures, the assimalation of "foreign" words into their language is discouraged in an attempt, maybe, to keep the language "pure", but we have readily accepted outside input as an enrichment, rather than a debasement.
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Equally important was the Roman period...and the colonisation by the Danish..., which also left its mark on northern and Eastern dialects especially, where the concentration of Danes was highest.
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Did the colonization by the Romans make a significant impact or were later Latin borrowings more important?

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Did the colonisation by the Romans make a significant impact or were later Latin borrowings more important?

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Yes...I think the colonisation by the Romans must have had a linguistic impact, given that so many Britons were assimilated into the Roman military and administration. The Romans introduced so many changes that affected daily life that words must have leaked into the language. I accept however that the use of latin did increase significantly after the Norman invasion.

In the background, monks were using classical Latin daily, and of course the Roman Catholic church used latin as its primary language, but at the very time that this was happening, latin as a daily language died.

Angles, Saxons, Jutes and Frisians brought the Germanic languages to england, and these languages were already peppered with Latin.

I suppose this is where it gets really complicated, because the Celts of Britain were then forced into the remote corners of the land, and invaders colonised what we now know as England.

The later invasions by the Vikings introduced yet another Germanic dialect, much of which is still recognisable in modern English. As a Yorkshireman and student of Danish and Norwegian, I have realised that much my own dialect still contains early Scandinavian words, and place names throughout northern England are indisputably Viking in origin.
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Throughout its history of development, English has come into contact with other languages, affecting and being affected by them.
Discuss the factors that influenced the development and progression of English in the British Isles leading to the adoption of one standardised dialect, and then in the colonies leading to the emergence of new forms of English (Block theme: History of development of the English Language).

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well iam intrested with the topics but do u have a complete article about this or even info about the subject plz
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well iam intrested with the topics but do u have a complete article about this or even info about the subject plz
I'm afraid not Zeina, I live in Scandinavia, and occasionally translate texts about Vikings from Danish into english, and I come from an area in England that has a long history of Viking occupation. The rest is simply what I remember from school and college, or what I've learned whilst researching for the translations.

However, if you'd like to read a little about Vikings in general, I can warmly recommend Lynge Stenagers site "Vikingworld". Lynge is a bit of a specialist on the subject of our Scandinavian cousins!

vikingworld

Enjoy....Moggy
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I feel sorry to interject with such a miniscule observation; I am only here, to question a certain usage of the term, Moggy.

The reason is, it is a family name here in Canada. And, I have learned it is also in use in the UK, as a slang. So, curious as a cat; I am searching for the history of the usage of that term; and whether or not, I should concerned with the New World connotations.....

Or, rather.

And, here I start to envolve myself with your thread;
Of, which I am not learned.

But, each procession of 'tribes' that had linguistic value;
Must have shared their knowledge, to some degree.
Thus, trading societies; traded more than resources;
They must have traded words, idioms, and/or thoughts.

Whether, or not, they came as pillagers, or as traders;
The same can be said for the tribes in the N. American,
Trade, was a commonality.

The language is a part of the trade!

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