A problem with 'taking a photo'.

[yourek]

How do you say in English, when you take a photo of someone and this photo is possible to be taken either for the sake of/to be held by the subject or the object? ( with the expression ' to take a photo', not the verb ' to photograph').
I mean the representation of dative in such a case.

 

[MrPedantic]

Hello Yourek,

Would "to take a photo for someone" be the phrase you're looking for?

MrP

 

[yourek]

Thank you MrP

This phrase restricts the result to the object, I'm afraid. My problem is to find an expression that respects both an object's and a subject's right to that
photo. To excuse myself: a proper phrase in Polish has inspired me to ask about it.

Yourek

 

[Abstract Idea]

Thank you MrP

This phrase restricts the result to the object, I'm afraid. My problem is to find an expression that respects both an object's and a subject's right to that
photo. To excuse myself: a proper phrase in Polish has inspired me to ask about it.

Yourek

I tried hard to understand your two posts unsuccessfully. I really can't get what you are saying.

Suggestions: 1) write your proper Polish phrase in the google translator (Google Translate) and write here the output. Perhaps with this output we can help you. 2) Try to explain your point better here. I am sure there are many other members willing to help you. 3) Try the other languages forum, maybe someone who know Polish and English can help you.

 

[MrPedantic]

I agree that the original Polish phrase might help.

It's possible that a similarly ambiguous wording doesn't exist in English, though.

All the best,

MrP

 

[yourek]

I tried hard to understand your two posts unsuccessfully. I really can't get what you are saying.

Suggestions: 1) write your proper Polish phrase in the google translator (Google Translate) and write here the output. Perhaps with this output we can help you. 2) Try to explain your point better here. I am sure there are many other members willing to help you. 3) Try the other languages forum, maybe someone who know Polish and English can help you.

I agree with you that I am not quite clear. A few days let me see it. I wondered whether it is possible to have both 'photo of' and 'photo for' in the same relatively simple phrase.
Additionally, my clue with a dative was misleading.
And moreover, I made a transgression from Polish, because we 'make photos' in our language, not 'take them'. In English, you always TAKE your photo, so the phrase MrP presented finally has satisfied me.
The Polish phrase is "Zrobił zdjęcia Jankowi" (He took a photoes of John/ for John)
Let me stop beating around the bush and thank you all.

 

[Barb_D]

So the person will do two things: He will take a picture of John (John is the person in the picture). Then he will give that photo to John.

Is that right?

I don't think we have such a word.

 

[yourek]

So the person will do two things: He will take a picture of John (John is the person in the picture). Then he will give that photo to John.

Is that right?

I don't think we have such a word.

Yes, that's right.
A slight difference is that he rather MAY give it to John.

 

[MrPedantic]

I wonder whether this structure would suit your context:

1. He took Jim's picture for him.

For instance, if I am a tourist, and I want you to take a picture of me in front of the Taj Mahal, I hand you my camera and ask you "to take my picture for me":

2. I asked Yourek to take my picture for me in front of the Taj Mahal.

Best wishes,

MrP

 

[yourek]

I wonder whether this structure would suit your context:

1. He took Jim's picture for him.

For instance, if I am a tourist, and I want you to take a picture of me in front of the Taj Mahal, I hand you my camera and ask you "to take my picture for me":

2. I asked Yourek to take my picture for me in front of the Taj Mahal.

Best wishes,

MrP

The first phrase is really elegant but I think that your very first suggestion was the most complete, because the latter should rather be
' He took Jane's picture for her and for himself'

Best Regards
Yourek