[Grammar] Presenst Perfect with 'since'

[nadine_nc]

Are there any verbs that cannot be used in the present perfect tense with 'since'?
We've had a discussion about whether or not a sentence like 'Since when has the new school year started?' is grammatically correct.
I think it is. Am I wrong?

 

[Nightmare85]

It depends on the situation.

Look:
Example 1: - no "since when"
Let's say you work in a factory.
I come to you and ask you:
"How long have you been working here?"
The question is fully okay and fully neutral.

Example 2:
2 days later I see you in another factory.
This confuses me, and I ask you:
"Since when do you work here??"

Example 3: - no "since when"
You ask your teacher:
"How long have you been a teacher?"
This would be correct.

Example 4:
You discuss with a friend about cars.
Your little sister (imagine it) begins to speak with you about cars.
You and your friend laugh and ask here:
"Since when do you have any knowledge about cars?"

Do you see?
There is a clear difference between Example 1+3 and 2+4
This "since when" is more a question when something is unexpected.
Do never use "since when" when it's a neutral question.

P.S. Not a teacher ;-)

Cheers!

 

[Kondorosi]

Am I wrong?

Unfortunatelly.

When did school start?

 

[jayan12]

It depends on the situation.

Look:
Example 1: - no "since when"
Let's say you work in a factory.
I come to you and ask you:
"How long have you been working here?"
The question is fully okay and fully neutral.

Example 2:
2 days later I see you in another factory.
This confuses me, and I ask you:
"Since when do you work here??"

Example 3: - no "since when"
You ask your teacher:
"How long have you been a teacher?"
This would be correct.

Example 4:
You discuss with a friend about cars.
Your little sister (imagine it) begins to speak with you about cars.
You and your friend laugh and ask here:
"Since when do you have any knowledge about cars?"

Do you see?
There is a clear difference between Example 1+3 and 2+4
This "since when" is more a question when something is unexpected.
Do never use "since when" when it's a neutral question.

P.S. Not a teacher ;-)

Cheers!

You discuss with a friend about cars. \\incorrect
You discuss cars with a friend \\ correct

 

[Nightmare85]

You discuss with a friend about cars. \\incorrect
You discuss cars with a friend \\ correct

Nope, both are correct.
https://www.usingenglish.com/forum/ask-teacher/112295-easy-sentence-you.html#post549889

Cheers!

 

[bhaisahab]

2 days later I see you in another factory.
This confuses me, and I ask you:
"Since when do you work here??":cross:

"Since when have you worked here".

 

[Nightmare85]

I can't agree with you, bhaisahab.
In my opinion example 2 and 4 are the same.
The question is not about the time (how long), it is more like
"What's the reason that you work here, now??"
I don't really care how long she's been working here.
Since when do pigs fly? ;-)

Cheers!

 

[bhaisahab]

I can't agree with you, bhaisahab.
In my opinion example 2 and 4 are the same.
The question is not about the time (how long), it is more like
"What's the reason that you work here, now??"
I don't really care how long she's been working here.
Since when do pigs fly? ;-)

Cheers!

In that case you should ask "Why do you work here?" to say "Since when do you work here?" is really very poor, lazy English.;-)

 

[Nightmare85]

Okay, I will remember this, thanks. ;-)

Cheers!

 

[Raymott]

Originally Posted by jayan12
You discuss with a friend about cars. \\incorrect
You discuss cars with a friend \\ correct

Nope, both are correct.
https://www.usingenglish.com/forum/ask-teacher/112295-easy-sentence-you.html#post549889

Cheers!

Nope, sentence one would be a give away that you are a non-native speaker.
I don't see how your link supports it as being correct.

 

[Raymott]

Are there any verbs that cannot be used in the present perfect tense with 'since'?
We've had a discussion about whether or not a sentence like 'Since when has the new school year started?' is grammatically correct.
I think it is. Am I wrong?

Your sentence is wrong, but this doesn't help you with which verbs can be used. Here is a correct sentence using 'since' with the verb "start" and the present perfect tense:
A: Since when has the new school year started in the middle of April?
B: Since 2003, when they changed the system.