[General] Fluency in English

[Ahmad Safwat]

Many people who emigrated to America from a lot of years say that although they are fluent in English but they still face problems !! . What a disappointing matter :shock::-(

 

[birdeen's call]

Everybody has problems. What kind of problems do those people encounter?

 

[Abstract Idea]

Many people who emigrated to America from a lot of years say that although they are fluent in English but they still face problems !! . What a disappointing matter :shock::-(

They have to study hard. Often it is not enough to "emigrate to America" to learn English. Even to master one's own native language it is necessary to read and study day-to-day.

 

[philadelphia]

It might depend what level the guys were at when they moved to the US.

 

[Ahmad Safwat]

Everybody has problems. What kind of problems do those people encounter?

I think in some words and idioms .

They have to study hard. Often it is not enough to "emigrate to America" to learn English. Even to master one's own native language it is necessary to read and study day-to-day.

I thought that emigration to any country for some years will make the emigrator fluent in English even if he didn't become like the native speakers.

It might depend what level the guys were at when they moved to the US.

Yes, you are right .

 

[thatone]

I thought that emigration to any country for some years will make the emigrator fluent in English even if he didn't become like the native speakers.

If you follow that mentality and thereby stop studying English, you'll never be fluent.

 

[birdeen's call]

I thought that emigration to any country for some years will make the emigrator fluent in English even if he didn't become like the native speakers.

That's simply not true. It sometimes takes generations to make people a group of immigrants speak the new language fluently. And it doesn't always happen. Often a reverse process takes place - the new members of the society change the local language.

 

[Ahmad Safwat]

Ok thatone!!

That's simply not true. It sometimes takes generations to make people a group of immigrants speak the new language fluently. And it doesn't always happen. Often a reverse process takes place - the new members of the society change the local language.

Thanks for the clearification, But I didn't imagine how could some people go to somewhere and don't know to communicate with the natives?!

 

[Abstract Idea]

Ok thatone!!



Thanks for the clearification, But I didn't imagine how could some people go to somewhere and don't know to communicate with the natives?!

"Communicate with the natives" [sic] is something way different from mastering a (foreign) language.

 

[Ahmad Safwat]

"Communicate with the natives" [sic] is something way different from mastering a (foreign) language.

If you meant by mastering taking the master degree>>>ok I didn't mean that they face preoblems in the English Literature but in English reading normal books and sometimes grammer or perfect accent .

 

[birdeen's call]

perfect accent .

It's very difficult to master a new accent as an adult. You must learn sounds that you never used before. It takes a lot of effort and a bit of talent too. Most people don't have enough patience to train it. Do you watch American movies about mafia? The Italian-American characters usually have a strong accent there. Some of them were born in America, but still haven't got rid of it!

 

[Ahmad Safwat]

It's very difficult to master a new accent as an adult. You must learn sounds that you never used before. It takes a lot of effort and a bit of talent too. Most people don't have enough patience to train it. Do you watch American movies about mafia? The Italian-American characters usually have a strong accent there. Some of them were born in America, but still haven't got rid of it!

I know spys only do that

I watched them and also enjoy when Frenches talk in English they are so cute :lol:

The bottom line about accent and others dear friend (if you accepted) that I thought that when someone goes to America or London for some years he become fluent but I was so wrong as I think now

 

[Tdol]

Moving to a different country doesn't mean that someone will use the majority language of that country- there are many communities speaking minority languages in many countries, so people can spend decades in a country without necessarily learning much of the language.

 

[Abstract Idea]

Moving to a different country doesn't mean that someone will use the majority language of that country- there are many communities speaking minority languages in many countries, so people can spend decades in a country without necessarily learning much of the language.

And on the other hand there are many people who, despite having never traveled abroad, have managed to learn "something" about a foreign language.

 

[birdeen's call]

And on the other hand there are many people who, despite having never traveled abroad, have managed to learn "something" about a foreign language.

There's not much problem about it now that we have all this technology.

 

[Abstract Idea]

There's not much problem about it now that we have all this technology.

Yes, but depending on what you want to mean by that "something" it is still a tough task.

 

[birdeen's call]

Right.

 

[Ahmad Safwat]

Moving to a different country doesn't mean that someone will use the majority language of that country- there are many communities speaking minority languages in many countries, so people can spend decades in a country without necessarily learning much of the language.

That's may be in America or England where there are regions inhabited by forigners and the old emigrators help the new ones.

And on the other hand there are many people who, despite having never traveled abroad, have managed to learn "something" about a foreign language.

Yes hope to be both

Yes, but depending on what you want to mean by that "something" it is still a tough task.

mmmm it seems no

 

[Tdol]

And on the other hand there are many people who, despite having never traveled abroad, have managed to learn "something" about a foreign language.

And there are a hardy few who manage to reach native speaker level without setting foot in a country where that language is spoken.

 

[Ahmad Safwat]

And there are a hardy few who manage to reach native speaker level without setting foot in a country where that language is spoken.

Oh, If I become from these hardy ones, No one will believe that I didn't go there or my mother is from there :-D

I swear yesterday I watched last minutes of a programme in Nile TV ( an Egyptian TV channel in English) I was sure that the interviewer was a big hired British interviewer because her accent was British exactly, But I was surprised when I saw on the titre of the programme " Presented by Mervat Hesham" ....What?!!! She is Egyptian woman!!! I wondered how did she become like that? she isn't spy or her features were caucasian (mother genes lol) even I know alot studied in the Britsh Councils but didn't become like that, she was helping the guest in some phrases completition .