A Question: All around

[wanghh]

I have some confusion about this passage ( npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=180728094 ) :

"Draymond Green threw his arms in the air and ran to Golden State Warriors coach Mark Jackson for an emotional hug. Jarrett Jack squatted down, put his right hand on his head and closed his eyes. Stephen Curry wanted to see it all — teammates parading around the court, gold confetti in the air, smiles all around the announced sellout crowd of 19,596."

How would "smiles all around the crowd" be different from "smiles among the crowd"?
Could "smiles all around the crowd" mean people NOT in the said crowd were smiling?

 

[JMurray]

not a teacher

How would "smiles all around the crowd" be different from "smiles among the crowd"?
Could "smiles all around the crowd" mean people NOT in the said crowd were smiling?

"Smiles all around the crowd" refers only to people in the crowd, and suggests a greater number of smiling people throughout that crowd than "smiles among the crowd" does.

 

[wanghh]

Could it be this:

"smiles all around the crowd"

is a shortened version of:

"smiles all around each member of the crowd"

?

 

[probus]

Could it be this:

"smiles all around the crowd"

is a shortened version of:

"smiles all around each member of the crowd"

?

Sorry, no.

 

[wanghh]

Can I write:

"There were traitors all around the crowd."

to mean that the crowd is full of traitors?

 

[probus]

Yes.

 

[wanghh]

Then this:

"We would hear the birds singing all around us."

would mean that we (people) are singing?

 

[Amigos4]

Then this:

"We would hear the birds singing all around us."

would mean that we (people) are singing?

No!
The birds, by your own statement, are singing! There is no mention of 'people' singing.

 

[wanghh]

Let met clarify my last post slightly. Would this:

"We heard singing all around us."

mean that some members of "us" were singing, or that some people outside of the membership of "us" were singing?

 

[Amigos4]

Yes! Whether 'we' (us) were singing or not is not the issue. As we rotated our heads (looked around) we could see people singing! Therefore, people all around us were singing! :up: We (us) could have been singing or not....but those around us were singing!

 

[probus]

It's a lovely sentence that means you heard singing, not that you and your friends were singing.

You know, all around is a phrase that can be found in many dictionaries. It can have many meanings, but you should probably do some dictionary work before we continue this thread.

 

[Amigos4]

It's a lovely sentence that means you heard singing, not that you and your friends were singing.

You know, all around is a phrase that can be found in many dictionaries. It can have many meanings, but you should probably do some dictionary work before we continue this thread.[/QUOTE]
In the meantime, I hope you enjoy the singing that is all around you! :up:

 

[wanghh]

So, back to the very first post. "Smiles all around the crowd" could be expanded into "smiles all around the members of the crowd"? Maybe my original idea of "the crowd" as an inseparable whole-entity caused some understanding?

 

[probus]

No it did not. Do your dictionary work, and then we'll talk again.

 

[Amigos4]

So, back to the very first post. "Smiles all around the crowd" could be expanded into "smiles all around the members of the crowd"? Maybe my original idea of "the crowd" as an inseparable whole-entity caused some understanding?

Wanghh, perhaps I am missing something here! We are at a basketball game. There are many people attending the game. A lot of people are very happy! They are smiling! As we look around the crowd we see a lot of smiling faces! We see more smiling faces than we see frowning faces! The 'crowd' is smiling.... adding all around the members of the crowd is superfluous! Keep it simple.... "Smiles all around the crowd" needs no further clarification!

 

[wanghh]

According to definition 1c of this dictionary ( learnersdictionary.com/search/around[2] ), "all around" seems to apply only to places.

 

[5jj]

Wanghh, perhaps I am missing something here!

You are indeed.

Thread closed. Clone of the persistent pest.