Past simple or past perfect?

Status
Not open for further replies.

englishhobby

Key Member
Joined
Jun 19, 2009
Member Type
English Teacher
Native Language
Russian
Home Country
Russian Federation
Current Location
Russian Federation
Which of the two verb forms should be used here?

The Square is the historic center of the city. It had been/was a market place for several centuries. In the 20th century it got its modern look.
 
Last edited:

emsr2d2

Moderator
Staff member
Joined
Jul 28, 2009
Member Type
English Teacher
Native Language
British English
Home Country
UK
Current Location
UK
Which one do you think should be used?
 

teechar

Moderator
Staff member
Joined
Feb 18, 2015
Member Type
English Teacher
Native Language
English
Home Country
Iraq
Current Location
Iraq
Is there a reason to capitalize "square" in that sentence?
 

englishhobby

Key Member
Joined
Jun 19, 2009
Member Type
English Teacher
Native Language
Russian
Home Country
Russian Federation
Current Location
Russian Federation
Which one do you think should be used?
As there is no some point in the past before which the square was the market place, I would use the simple past (was).
 

englishhobby

Key Member
Joined
Jun 19, 2009
Member Type
English Teacher
Native Language
Russian
Home Country
Russian Federation
Current Location
Russian Federation
Is there a reason to capitalize "square" in that sentence?

It can be any square, so there is no any special reason to capitalize it. :)
 

Rover_KE

Moderator
Staff member
Joined
Jun 20, 2010
Member Type
Retired English Teacher
Native Language
British English
Home Country
England
Current Location
England
A better title would have been It had been/was a market place.

'Thread titles should include all or part of the word/phrase being discussed.'
 

Matthew Wai

VIP Member
Joined
Nov 29, 2013
Member Type
Native Language
Chinese
Home Country
China
Current Location
China

MikeNewYork

VIP Member
Joined
Nov 13, 2002
Member Type
Academic
Native Language
American English
Home Country
United States
Current Location
United States
In Chicago, the main business district is called "the Loop". Normally, "Loop" is capitalized. I think the same logic could be applied to "Square".
 

teechar

Moderator
Staff member
Joined
Feb 18, 2015
Member Type
English Teacher
Native Language
English
Home Country
Iraq
Current Location
Iraq
I was trying to ascertain whether "square" was part of a proper noun. It appears that it wasn't. Therefore, it should not be capitalized in this instance. ;-)
 

emsr2d2

Moderator
Staff member
Joined
Jul 28, 2009
Member Type
English Teacher
Native Language
British English
Home Country
UK
Current Location
UK
The original sentence clearly refers to a specific square in whatever city is being written about. If "The Square" is the name of the square in that city, then it needs to be capitalised. If it's not the name of the square, then "The square" would be correct.

The OP's assertion that it could be "any square" doesn't make sense - it clearly refers to a particular square in a particular city.
 

MikeNewYork

VIP Member
Joined
Nov 13, 2002
Member Type
Academic
Native Language
American English
Home Country
United States
Current Location
United States
I agree. That is why I brought up Chicago's Loop.
 

Matthew Wai

VIP Member
Joined
Nov 29, 2013
Member Type
Native Language
Chinese
Home Country
China
Current Location
China
It seems that the main question in this thread, 'the past simple or the past perfect?', has yet to be answered.

The OP and I have expressed different opinions in post#4 and #7. Please tell us which is correct.
 

englishhobby

Key Member
Joined
Jun 19, 2009
Member Type
English Teacher
Native Language
Russian
Home Country
Russian Federation
Current Location
Russian Federation
I think the definite article would not have been used before it if it could be any square.

Many city objects are used with a definite article even if they are not proper names: the bank, the post office, the park.
 

Matthew Wai

VIP Member
Joined
Nov 29, 2013
Member Type
Native Language
Chinese
Home Country
China
Current Location
China
I think 'the bank' and 'the park' refer to the particular ones previously mentioned, while 'the post office' refers to the department in charge of the post.
 

emsr2d2

Moderator
Staff member
Joined
Jul 28, 2009
Member Type
English Teacher
Native Language
British English
Home Country
UK
Current Location
UK
The post office usually refers to a specific building.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Top