And who don't agree, less modern English speakers don't recognise

[GoldfishLord]

FYI, Wiktionary is compiled largely by grammarians who know what they are talking about.

And who don't agree. The full Wiktionary does not classify "where" as a preposition, and it appears that the Simple Wiktionary writer is using a definition of "preposition" that less modern English speakers don't recognise.

I'm not arguing with you, but just pointing out that if you speak a different language, there may be problems in communication, as has clearly happened here.

Source: https://forum.wordreference.com/threads/where-it-was-gently-pulled.4039498/post-20739230

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1. Is "and who don't agree" short for something?
What's the meaning of "and who don't agree"?

2. What's the meaning of "less modern English speakers don't recognise"?

 

[emsr2d2]

1. I think they mean "Wikipedia is compiled by grammarians who don't agree [with each other]". They're adding "and who don't agree" to the end of the sentence in the quote box.

2. Would you understand it better if it said "... that speakers of a less modern style of English don't understand"?

 

[Tarheel]

2. Would you understand it better if it said "... that speakers of a less modern style of English don't understand"?

Not really. What might be an example of a less modern style of English?

 

[Piscean]

The style of Charles Dickens.

 

[jutfrank]

2. I think he's referring to either some amateur grammar nerds, or certain academic grammarians from recent decades, or both.

The point is that people disagree on word classification.

 

[SoothingDave]

We don't have to go back to Dickens. The ways I learned grammar in school in the 80s is different from what is said by the teachers here today. For instance, I never learned anything called a "determiner."

 

[jutfrank]

Yes, that's what I meant. Views of grammar today differ from those of fifty or so years ago. Word classification is one notable example.

 

[Tarheel]

The style of Charles Dickens.

I am not a contemporary of Dickens (obviously). I suppose those who were his contemporaries would have trouble understanding modern English.

 

[güey]

For instance, I never learned anything called a "determiner."

That's interesting. I thought it always existed. What did they call then all those words (some, any, one, articles, and so on) that come before and define noun phrases?

 

[SoothingDave]

That's interesting. I thought it always existed. What did they call then all those words (some, any, one, articles, and so on) that come before and define noun phrases?

Well, articles were articles. Articles were a basic class of word, like nouns and verbs.

I don't remember any special class of words like "some" or "any." It's a bit hazy, but I believe in a sentence like "I want some food," the word "some" would be considered an adjective.

 

[güey]

So every tall tree would be adjectives and a noun. It's a good thing that they came up the term determiner.