at home with my friends vs with my friends at home

[Fremr]

Hello,
I would like to ask i have read that the order of adverbs is adverb of manner, adverb of place, adverb of time is it a rule or just a recommendation?
if it is just a recommendation that would mean, that the sentences I´m at home with my friends and I´m with my friends at home could be both correct, right?
I mean according to this rule the sentence " I´m with my friends at home " should be correct and the sentence " I´m at home with my friends" should be incorrect, right?
So my question is, are both sentences correct, or is one of them incorrect because of the order?

 

[tedmc]

Hello.
I would like to ask i have read that the order of adverbs is as follows: adverb of manner, adverb of place, adverb of time. Is it a rule or just a recommendation?
If it is just a recommendation, that would mean (no comma) that the sentences "I´m at home with my friends" and "I´m with my friends at home" could be are both correct, right?
I mean, according to this rule the sentence " I´m with my friends at home " should be correct and the sentence " I´m at home with my friends" should be are incorrect, right?
So my question is: are both sentences correct, or is one of them incorrect because of the order?

I think the order you give is only a guide and not a hard-and-fast rule. I'd say both are correct. It's a matter of which item you wish to bring to the fore - home (place) or friends (manner).

 

[jutfrank]

It's a matter of meaning. Put whichever adverbial phrase is primary in meaning directly next to the verb.

I'm at home (with my friends). = This says where you are.
I'm with my friends (at home). = This says who you're with.

By the way, with my friends is not an adverb of manner.

 

[Fremr]

It's a matter of meaning. Put whichever adverbial phrase is primary in meaning directly next to the verb.

I'm at home (with my friends). = This says where you are.
I'm with my friends (at home). = This says who you're with.

By the way, with my friends is not an adverb of manner.

"By the way, with my friends is not an adverb of manner."
I mean, doesn´t it tell us how I was at home? I have read that with + something can work as an adverbial phrase, which can work as an adverb of manner.
https://www.grammar-monster.com/glossary/adverbial_phrases.htm

How (Adverbial Phrase of Manner)​

An adverbial phrase of manner states how something is done. For example:

• He would always talk with a nationalistic tone.
• He sings in a low register.
• People who say they sleep like a baby usually don't have one. (Leo J. Burke)

Then, is this article incorrect?

 

[jutfrank]

"By the way, with my friends is not an adverb of manner."
I mean, doesn´t it tell us how I was at home?

Not really, no. It doesn't express manner because it doesn't describe a way of doing something. It says who you were with.

I have read that with + something can work as an adverbial phrase, which can work as an adverb of manner.

It can, yes, but not here. When you follow the verb be with a preposition phrase, it isn't even an adverbial at all.

Then, is this article incorrect?

No, that's all correct.

 

[Fremr]

Not really, no. It doesn't express manner because it doesn't describe a way of doing something. It says who you were with.



It can, yes, but not here. When you follow the verb be with a preposition phrase, it isn't even an adverbial at all.



No, that's all correct.

So, if i understand it correctly.
In the sentence "He stabbed her in the back with a knife."
"with a knife" is a prepositional phrase because it tells us what he stabbed her with?

while in the sentence "She shouted with fear in her voice."
"with fear in her voice" works as adverbial phrase because it answers the question how did she shout?

I mean I don´t understand how to tell a prepositional phrase and an adverbial phrase of manner apart.
adverbials of manner - describe how something happens (such as "with an angry tone" or "like a baby chick")
According to this in the sentence he slept like a baby. we can ask how did he sleep? and what did he sleep like? how can I tell if it is only a prepositional phrase and not an adverbial phrase of manner or if it is an adverbial phrase and not a prepositional phrase?

 

[jutfrank]

So, if i understand it correctly.
In the sentence "He stabbed her in the back with a knife."
"with a knife" is a prepositional phrase because it tells us what he stabbed her with?

No. It's a prepositional phrase grammatically speaking. It's a phrase with a preposition as a head.

while in the sentence "She shouted with fear in her voice."
"with fear in her voice" works as adverbial phrase because it answers the question how did she shout?

Yes, you can understand with fear in her voice as the manner in which she shouted. It's adverbial in that it modifies the verb shouted.

I mean I don´t understand how to tell a prepositional phrase and an adverbial phrase of manner apart.

Don't worry—you don't have to. Just focus on meaning instead.

adverbials of manner - describe how something happens (such as "with an angry tone" or "like a baby chick")
According to this in the sentence he slept like a baby. we can ask how did he sleep? and what did he sleep like?

Basically, yes.

how can I tell if it is only a prepositional phrase and not an adverbial phrase of manner or if it is an adverbial phrase and not a prepositional phrase?

I didn't mean say that if something is a preposition phrase that it can't be adverbial. In fact, preposition phrases often are adverbial. If the PP is a complement of the verb be, it can't be adverbial and it can't express manner.

Focus on what manner actually means, and then you'll be able to identify adverbs of manner more easily.

 

[Fremr]

No. It's a prepositional phrase grammatically speaking. It's a phrase with a preposition as a head.



Yes, you can understand with fear in her voice as the manner in which she shouted. It's adverbial in that it modifies the verb shouted.



Don't worry—you don't have to. Just focus on meaning instead.



Basically, yes.



I didn't mean say that if something is a preposition phrase that it can't be adverbial. In fact, preposition phrases often are adverbial. If the PP is a complement of the verb be, it can't be adverbial and it can't express manner.

Focus on what manner actually means, and then you'll be able to identify adverbs of manner more easily.

So "with my friends" and any other prepositional phrase can´t work like a adverbial phrase with the verb to be?
So in the sentence "I went out with my girlfriend"
the phrase with my girlfriend can work adverbial because it is not a complement of the verb to be and it tells us that I wasn´t alone, that I went out with someone?

And for example "he was aiming at him with a slingshot"
can the phrase with a slingshot work as an adverbial phrase or is it only a prepositional phrase?
And Is it okay if I put an adverb of place before an adverb of manner, does it sound awkward and is it grammatically acceptable?

 

[Tarheel]

Why can't something be both a prepositional phrase and an adverbial phrase?