'Had never visited' or 'never visited' before

subhajit123

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Hi everyone, 'had never visited' or 'never visited': Which one should I use in the following sentence?

1- Last year I visited Malaysia. I had never visited/never visited malaysia before.

My problem is with the word 'before'. I think before is used with the past perfect tense. Are they both correct?
 

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Only the past perfect works there. "Before" refers to the time before you visited Malaysia last year.

It would be impossible to say "Last year, I visited Malaysia. I have never visited Malaysia before" because the first half says you have been to Malaysia but the second half says you have never been.
 

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"Had never visited" is correct.
You can say "I have never visited Malaysia before that."
I think "I never visited.." is wrong in all circumstances.
 

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Sorry tedmc, but you can't say "I have never visited Malaysia before that". The use of "before that" at the end clearly refers to a past action so the words before it need to be in the past perfect.

I'm going to Malaysia next month. I'm really excited. I have never visited Malaysia before.
I visited Malaysia last month. It was great. I had never visited Malaysia before that.
 

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I'd avoid repeating 'visited Malaysia'.

'I visited Malaysia last month. I'd never been before.'

'I'm going to Malaysia next month. I've never been before.'
 

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Do you need a "there" after been?
 

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It's optional.
 

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